VSD Arcade Podcast #14 - We <3 Kinect Edition (now on iTunes)

[JayDizzle]

I have no beef.

If you aren't plussed with the package or what we're doing, there's nobody forcing you to listen to it.

[leaffan]

We didn't get a chance to talk about it last week because of the E3 podcasts. Anytime there is a big release that week, expect a heavy amount of discussion on it.



Am I am fanboy? I only own a 360. Besides, Twigg and I at least discussed that adding cloud-saves to Live is a nice addition.

More seriously, I appreciate any complaints that you guys have. If you think we talked about Infamous 2 too much, so be it. Things are going to be a bit slow post-E3, at least until our discussion of NCAA 12 kicks in in a couple of weeks (demo releases Tuesday, but not sure when we record next week).

My complaint is moreso directed towards guys like knubb and twigg who both have an obvious bias towards one system over another and let their, for the most part, terrible opinions be known about them. The best description I can give is its like listening to people who have no idea what they're talking about, yet are trying to sound like they do know what they are talking about.

I myself have a 360 but I literally only play one game (well two Assassins Creed once a year) and thats it. If I would of won a PS3 at that golf tournament where I won the 360 I would be playing the PS3 right now lol.

Knubbs blog article thing about E3 a couple weeks ago was beyond awful too and I'm not the only one that pointed it out.

[jms493]

My complaint is moreso directed towards guys like knubb and twigg who both have an obvious bias towards one system over another and let their, for the most part, terrible opinions be known about them. The best description I can give is its like listening to people who have no idea what they're talking about, yet are trying to sound like they do know what they are talking about.

I myself have a 360 but I literally only play one game (well two Assassins Creed once a year) and thats it. If I would of won a PS3 at that golf tournament where I won the 360 I would be playing the PS3 right now lol.

Knubbs blog article thing about E3 a couple weeks ago was beyond awful too and I'm not the only one that pointed it out.

Well you have to understand they really dont know what they are talking about from industry point of view. They are bunch of gamers talking about games from their prospective.

Some of the issues I have is we are talking to a few people who don't have money to play games. Some guys that aren't really hardcore gamers. What did you play this week?.....1 game, lulz. Twigg knows the most and plays the most games so his opinion to be me holds some more weight. Some of the hate towards things are not so funny. I would like a more intelligent and witty approach on why some things "Suck".

I don't expect it to be that good, TBH. When I listen to the BombCast or Gametrailers - Invisible Walls you can see the difference after the first 2-3 mins. But that is those guys jobs. When I only have some much time to listen to a podcast....I choose those.

[BrntO4Life]

Well you have to understand they really dont know what they are talking about from industry point of view. They are bunch of gamers talking about games from their prospective.

I figured this would actually be a draw for us - gamers talking to other gamers.

Some of the issues I have is we are talking to a few people who don't have money to play games. Some guys that aren't really hardcore gamers. What did you play this week?.....1 game.

Well, that should definitely improve for me now that:

1) I have more time to play games now that college is over.
2) Once I get a solid job, I will be able to review more games.

And to be fair, I think most of us play more than 1 game per week unless it's the release week of a big game.

One thing I would like to do is figure out what games you guys are interested in, that way we can try and get some reviews of those games by at least getting them at Redbox for a few days. No point in telling everyone about a shitty game that no one was interested in in the first place.

[leaffan]

Well you have to understand they really dont know what they are talking about from industry point of view. They are bunch of gamers talking about games from their prospective.

Some of the issues I have is we are talking to a few people who don't have money to play games. Some guys that aren't really hardcore gamers. What did you play this week?.....1 game, lulz. Twigg knows the most and plays the most games so his opinion to be me holds some more weight. Some of the hate towards things are not so funny. I would like a more intelligent and witty approach on why some things "Suck".

I don't expect it to be that good, TBH. When I listen to the BombCast or Gametrailers - Invisible Walls you can see the difference after the first 2-3 mins. But that is those guys jobs. When I only have some much time to listen to a podcast....I choose those.

Probably popped in about 5 or 6 different ones this week. I'm currently back tracking and replaying some of the old GTA's at this point. For the past few weeks my gaming time has been shrinking mainly because I'm trying to get things out of the way before some vacation time I have coming kicks in.

Just because I don't play consoles doesn't mean I don't game.

[BrntO4Life]

Probably popped in about 5 or 6 different ones this week. I'm currently back tracking and replaying some of the old GTA's at this point. For the past few weeks my gaming time has been shrinking mainly because I'm trying to get things out of the way before some vacation time I have coming kicks in.

Just because I don't play consoles doesn't mean I don't game.

I think he was referring to us podcasters with that quote...

[leaffan]

I think he was referring to us podcasters with that quote...

Looked like he quoted me.

You guys need to learn2forum better.

[BrntO4Life]

Looked like he quoted me.

You guys need to learn2forum better.

He did, but it seemed like a rhetorical question/quote of when we ask each other that question in the podcast.

Waits for confirmation...

[SethMode]

As a casual observer, I read that as JMS saying that those on the pod say that sort of thing. He quoted you because it was relevant and in response to what you said, he just went on to explain it in greater detail.

[jms493]

Looked like he quoted me.

You guys need to learn2forum better.

i did quote you but I was referring to the podcasters.

[jms493]

I think you guys can review what you want it is your podcast. It looks like it is fun to do. You WONT be able to please all. When you talk about zelda I kind of listen, when you talk about Infamous I am interested. DO all sorts of games and some people will love and some people will hate.

IMO if I was doing a podcast about games I play and shit I would probably take some notes down as I play games. Things to talk about while I am playing that I would forget. Being specific about how you are experiencing the game is interesting to me.

For example, I am playing the Witcher 2 alot and there certain mission that are just really cool and mature. I would right down a 1-2 details about those missions and talk about them. Could get people interested in the game on a deeper level.

anyway....just trying to give some criticism. After starting to listen to some gamer podcasts in the last year I can tell the ones that are meh and the ones that are very funny and interesting. You guys are making an effort and putting yourself out there...most of us are not doing shit.

[Twigg4075]

In the weather community, since we write weather so much, we simply use WX to replace weather.

I don't know how to say this without sounding totally gay, but your accent is awesome. It reminds me of summers when I was younger. My mom's side of the family all live in and around Waldorf/Baltimore and I used to spend every summer up there. I can still remember going to Ocean City as a kid.

Noted.

I'm glad you love my sexy Baltimoron accent. ;)

lol @ trolling.

I might be but I'm making a general comment mainly because I could give a fuck about the podcast since everytime I've listened to it, it's been shit. Don't give me the bs about if you don't like it then join us because I've offered but was never taken up on it.

But go ahead and go after KG who makes a comment about you guys going on something for too long which is a useful idea because if you do go on about a game that long it is too long.

Don't get so butt hurt about things.

Constructive criticism is always good. It's the only way we can get better. But like Knubb said, how do we know what to talk about if no one asks questions in the threads or comments on topics?

As for inFamous, I think we talked about it for maybe 20 minutes? Not even theat. Considering it's the biggest games to come out that week and will likely be one of teh best games of 2011, I don't think that was over board.

[Twigg4075]

OK I am going to comment on Twigg saying you CANT charge $60 fro Duke Nukem.

Ok....the game will get shitty reviews at $39.99 or $59.99. Most game reviews don't mention the price of the game. If that was the case then almost every arcade game released would get a pass, I mean its only $10...its good for the price?? Gearbox is trying to get as much money possible. They released at full price and will probably sell 500,000 copies.....drop the price in a month or 2 after you gathered all the early adopters money. Much more money earned.

Money is relative and shouldn't be considered on the quality of the game. I just bought Mass Effect for $15 does that make it the better than the $59.99 version.......no it's the same fucking game.

ok carry on.

I definitely understand what you are saying. I know Gearbox wants to make money. And they probably will sell a decent amount of copies based on the name alone. But when you do charge full price for a half assed game (not entirely Gearbox's fault obviously) then you are telling your fans that it is a fully realized, fully featured, current gen quality game. I would imagine a lot of people bought the game and are now completely turned off by Gearbox and may never buy another one of their games. Whereas if they would've made it a "budget" title many more people would've known what they were getting into and would've been a lot more forgiving.
The same goes for the reviews, which I mostly commenting on. When people do reviews they normally, if they are a good reviewer, take price into account. Because most games are the standard $60 you don't see it mentioned much though. Just look at Deadly Premonition that was $20 last year on 360. It's a cult hit now. Supposedly the game is very broken and has a ton of technical and game play issues, but because it was $20 it was forgiven for a lot of it's issues and given very good reviews. It has a 68 right now, far higher than Duke's 49. Hell, Destructoid gave it a 100.

A bunch of PS3 fanboys talking about a ps3 game for too long... not surprised.

Again with the fanboy comments. Knubb is a self proclaimed fanboy but I'm not sure why I'm always grouped in. I talked about how I've spent over FOUR DAYS of game time on Borderlands on the THREE SIXTY. I also spent a decent amount of time commenting on my thoughts of teh FEAR games, which I own all on THREE SIXTY. And I was able to pick up both FEAR 3 and Brink on THREE SIXTY this week so hopefully I will have impressions next week.

Hell, I would love to have someone like you Leaf, that obviously hates my guts, come on and debate with me about a topic. I think it would be entertaining.

Well you have to understand they really dont know what they are talking about from industry point of view. They are bunch of gamers talking about games from their prospective.

Some of the issues I have is we are talking to a few people who don't have money to play games. Some guys that aren't really hardcore gamers. What did you play this week?.....1 game, lulz. Twigg knows the most and plays the most games so his opinion to be me holds some more weight. Some of the hate towards things are not so funny. I would like a more intelligent and witty approach on why some things "Suck".

I don't expect it to be that good, TBH. When I listen to the BombCast or Gametrailers - Invisible Walls you can see the difference after the first 2-3 mins. But that is those guys jobs. When I only have some much time to listen to a podcast....I choose those.

This is what we are hoping is the draw of our particular podcast, plus the fact that it's guys you know from the site. Of course if you want a higher quality podcast made and discussed by professionals there are tons of much better ones out there. But doing this podcast is the same reason I listen to the Gamer Husbands podcast along with the Giant Bomb's, Talk Radar's, etc. GH give a much more realistic opinion because they have limited funds to buy games. They are way more down to Earth and much more mile myself than those guys that get paid to play games.

With that said I still think Jay does a damn good job as a host and Brnt and Knubb do awesome jobs on the technical side of things with the artwork, music, etc. This thing has come a damn long way in a much shorter amount of time than I expected.

[SethMode]

So I'm curious, without listening to the podcast, why is DNF not a $60 game? It's an interesting concept that I thought JMS broke down quite well. I don't know who brought it up, but I'm curious as to the reasoning behind the notion. (I don't really listen to podcasts anymore because my new commute to school is about 4 minutes, so please excuse me for asking this).

[BrntO4Life]

So I'm curious, without listening to the podcast, why is DNF not a $60 game? It's an interesting concept that I thought JMS broke down quite well. I don't know who brought it up, but I'm curious as to the reasoning behind the notion. (I don't really listen to podcasts anymore because my new commute to school is about 4 minutes, so please excuse me for asking this).

Duke is broken, buggy, and 12 years too late with it's writing. I think Gearbox was banking on it being a success because of the nostalgia factor (both humor and gameplay-wise), but most see it as dumb and shitty instead.

I have not played it, but I watched half of the Giant Bomb Quick Look before I shut it off. To put it simply, it just plain sucks.

Selling it at $30 wouldn't necessarily change that, but perceived value is becoming a bigger factor in gaming today. It's why iPhone games are selling out the ass. Not because they're amazing games, but they're great for the price.