South Park: The Stick of Truth

[killgod]

Maybe you are "failing to grasp" that I have zero interest in those types of shitty games? I'm sorry, but whether I'm repeatedly pressing a single button, or I'm using spells, blocking, etc. I"M FUCKING DOING IT. If I die it's my fault, not just some random shit the computer decides happens. And please don't start with your bullshit "Well, actually everything in any game is ultimately determined by the computer." Shut the fuck up with that noise.

It's cute how you get mad cause you hate them, which is all well and fine, but your argument here is just so stupidly wrong but I doubt you ever get it.

Either way "you are doing it" whether it's turn based or live action. Either way "it's determined by a computer and fucking numeric calculations"

When you shoot a ...fuck i dunno....locust in GOW. Do you not understand your bullet registers a numerical value reducing that creature's total number until you pump enough numbers into him where his is zero, then an animation triggers showing you it's dead.

Do you really not understand that's what's happening?

It's all smoke and mirrors you goof.

[IamMedellin]

You realize there is little to no difference between a typical Action RPG (like say, Deathspank or Diablo) and a typical Turn-Based RPG?

Uh, yeah there is. I enjoy actually controlling my character when I fight an enemy. Not "enter a battle" and let my stats determine what happens as I watch basically a cut scene.

You control them in the same exact way though. You aren't performing a combination of buttons, you're repeatedly mashing the "A" butt........

But this is an argument that you've failed to grasp before so...yeah.

Maybe you are "failing to grasp" that I have zero interest in those types of shitty games? I'm sorry, but whether I'm repeatedly pressing a single button, or I'm using spells, blocking, etc. I"M FUCKING DOING IT. If I die it's my ....

The fact that Trey Parker and Matt Stone apparently love these style of games actually makes me like them a lot less.

It's cute how you get mad cause you hate them, which is all well and fine, but your argument here is just so stupidly wrong but I doubt you ever get it.

Either way "you are .......cing that creature's total number until you pump enough numbers into him where his is zero, then an animation triggers showing you it's dead.

Do you really not understand that's what's happening?

It's all smoke and mirrors you goof.

[Twigg4075]

Do you really not understand that's what's happening?

It's all smoke and mirrors you goof.

Yeas I do. But according to Seth's logic Madden and that shitty NFL Head Coach game are basically the same. I mean, you're just picking the plays and the CPU is ultimately determining the end result. Right?

[killgod]

Yeas I do. But according to Seth's logic Madden and that shitty NFL Head Coach game are basically the same. I mean, you're just picking the plays and the CPU is ultimately determining the end result. Right?

Much more is CPU dice rolls than most players see, clearly the devs don't want to advertise this.

The NHL devs admitted their game generates a random sequence of "events", so that on the 7th shot, it will break a stick, the 14th shot, will be a goal from the CPU, the 6th body check, will be an injury.

Tell me how much control I have when this is the game I'm playing?

Go read our current generally discussion thread in my Madden league where we're discussing games where the CPU is just juiced for one side, we all see it, most people don't understand why for a variety of reasons.

I'm telling you, you'd be very surprised if the actual details of how these games work was public knowledge. I know what I see, I understand programming logic, I'm able to see it for what it is.

[Twigg4075]

I understand that. I don't know how many times I have to say it? I even pre-emptively told you guys to shove that shit up your ass.

The bottom line is that even though the AI/CPU controls what is going on, it doesn't control me. So even when the CPU is going robo in Madden, it still doesn't know that at the last possible second I'm going to it that spin move. In DeathSpank the CPU doesn't know if I'm going to block, use magic or flee. Sure it can alter it's strategy on the fly but it still can't 100% predict my actions. Whereas in these shitty JRPG's, 100 fucking percent is controlled by the CPU and the in game stats and you just sit back and "enjoy the ride", or vomit in your mouth in my case.

[Leftwich]

BTW the 5th class is Jew. Hopefully there is some kind of perk that saves money.

[killgod]

I understand that. I don't know how many times I have to say it? I even pre-emptively told you guys to shove that shit up your ass.

The bottom line is that even though the AI/CPU controls what is going on, it doesn't control me. So even when the CPU is going robo in Madden, it still doesn't know that at the last possible second I'm going to it that spin move. In DeathSpank the CPU doesn't know if I'm going to block, use magic or flee. Sure it can alter it's strategy on the fly but it still can't 100% predict my actions. Whereas in these shitty JRPG's, 100 fucking percent is controlled by the CPU and the in game stats and you just sit back and "enjoy the ride", or vomit in your mouth in my case.

I'm not saying the entire came is 100% controlled, but many outcomes are out of your control, you simply pick X move vs Y type of tackle and a roll of the dice picks the winner.

JRPG's are not as you describe, but I imagine you're an expert on them to make such an assertion? I'm telling you, anyone who enjoys/enjoyed the genre will tell you, you're wrong here.

[SethMode]

Not much more to say that killgod didn't point out.

And in the examples listed by Twigg (one of which being Deathspank -- which I'll speak on) the computer absolutely can determine your actions just as much as in a JRPG. You hit attack, a dice roll happens that determines if you hit. You hit magic, a dice roll happens that determines if you hit. You choose to run, you're either capable of getting away or you aren't (one area I will say that an action RPG does differ is that you actually have to physically run away from the enemy and pray you're fast enough, instead of just hitting run and hoping you're fast enough -- but under the hood it's effectively the same). The point is, when you choose to swing your sword or cast a spell in Deathspank, the computer knows the outcome of both. In turn based RPGs, shock, when you choose to attack or use magic, the computer knows the outcome of either. Stop being dense about this and seemingly purposefully only thinking to the point that it supports your argument. You act like because it's turn based and I have a choice of what to tell the characters I'm controlling, the CPU still KNOWS what choice I'm going to make (ex. fight, flee or magic).

It's hilarious that you shit on these games while not understanding them at all.

[Twigg4075]

Just to put it out there, I asked two of the cadets working in the office today this question. They are both fans of JRPG's and turn based RPG's. I asked them if they thought turn based games and games like DeathSpank were similar and they both looked ta me like I had three heads. The one actually said "Are you fucking kidding me? Of course not.":marshmellow:

[SethMode]

Just to put it out there, I asked two of the cadets working in the office today this question. They are both fans of JRPG's and turn based RPG's. I asked them if they thought turn based games and games like DeathSpank were similar and they both looked ta me like I had three heads. The one actually said "Are you fucking kidding me? Of course not.":marshmellow:

Cool story bro?

In other news, after reading this, I asked my co-worker if he thought JRPGs and Deathspank are the same and he said "Of course they are."

:marshmellow:

What in the hell is your point?

[SethMode]

This game sounds more like a Action/Turn-Based RPG hybrid type shit so Twigg has no real reason to be bitching anyways. You still control your blocking and such with button presses.

Oh come on now, we both know not having a reason to bitch has never stopped Twigg from bitching before.

[Juggernaut]

Maybe you are "failing to grasp" that I have zero interest in those types of shitty games? I'm sorry, but whether I'm repeatedly pressing a single button, or I'm using spells, blocking, etc. I"M FUCKING DOING IT. If I die it's my fault, not just some random shit the computer decides happens. And please don't start with your bullshit "Well, actually everything in any game is ultimately determined by the computer." Shut the fuck up with that noise. I have no idea why you feel inclined to convince me that games in the style of Japanese RPG's are good. I fucking hate them and will never change my mind.

Yeah, it's a shame. Since Seth wanted to mention it, if this game was like DeathSpank or Torchlight or Dungeon Hunters, plus South Park, I'd be all over it. But I don't care what the license is, I have absolutely no interest in that style of game. I literally despise and loathe these games. Final Fantasy 7, which is supposed to be on the greatest games of all time, made me want to gouge my eyes out.

The fact that Trey Parker and Matt Stone apparently love these style of games actually makes me like them a lot less.

:niggaplease:

Some of the stupidest bullshit i have ever seen you post.

There is so much more strategy in turn based than in action rpgs. WTF did you mean you when you said If i die its my fault. When was the last time you played an action rpg without a level system? Lets see you try to beat a boss that your under leveled for. The only game I can think of would be Jade Empire, but I doubt you'd like that game.

[Twigg4075]

:niggaplease:

Some of the stupidest bullshit i have ever seen you post.

There is so much more strategy in turn based than in action rpgs. WTF did you mean you when you said If i die its my fault. When was the last time you played an action rpg without a level system? Lets see you try to beat a boss that your under leveled for. The only game I can think of would be Jade Empire, but I doubt you'd like that game.

I must've missed the part where more strategy meant more fun? Again I will bring up my NFL Head Coach reference. That game is nothing but strategy. It must be the greatest game ever made according to your logic? Maybe Front Office Baseball (or whatever it's called) is? Those types of games bore the ever loving shit out of me.

I do not like turn based games at all and there is nothing anyone here is going to convince me of otherwise.

Just because you think it's stupid of me to hate a game like Final Fantasy doesn't mean it is. I think those games are absolutely horrible.

For instance, the free GBA games were just released for the 3DS Ambassadors the other day. I like every one except one. You want to guess which one? Fire Emblem. Even though I never played it originally I thought I remember hearing it was a JRPG. I fired it up and after about 20 minutes I wanted to permanently delete it. Nothing but talking and turn based battles. Next!

At least this game has the South Park humor going for it. One of the classes is Jew? That's hilarious. But I will never be able to get passed the turn based battles. Ever.

[JeremyHight]

Twigg, did you ever play Paper Mario or any of the Mario games on DS that were turn based platformer RPGs? Battles were turn based, but you still had to do things when you selected your attacks in order to make them successful or utter failures. Curious if you liked those more or not than a traditional JRPG with a more select your attack and watch style.

[Twigg4075]

Twigg, did you ever play Paper Mario or any of the Mario games on DS that were turn based platformer RPGs? Battles were turn based, but you still had to do things when you selected your attacks in order to make them successful or utter failures. Curious if you liked those more or not than a traditional JRPG with a more select your attack and watch style.

The only Paper Mario game I've played is the most recent one on the Wii. You had to talk to people but most of the dialogue was funny. Th rest of the game was platforming. No turn battles. I was going to check out Bowser's Inside Story because I heard so many great things about it. Bu then I watched some YouTube videos and saw that all the battles were turn based and changed my mind.