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  • NAHSTE
    Probably owns the site
    • Feb 2009
    • 22233

    The San Jose A's?



    A's general manager Billy Beane declined comment on a report that the A's will receive permission by February to move to San Jose.

    USA Today's Bob Nightengale tweeted Saturday morning: "All signs and top MLB sources say that the Athletics will be granted permission by Feb to move to San Jose."

    Beane said he was unaware of any such news when reached by phone Saturday and didn't want to comment further. A's co-owner Lew Wolff could not be reached for comment, and team spokesman Bob Rose said the team continues to wait for Major League Baseball's report on the A's stadium situation and would have no further comment until then.

    MLB commissioner Bud Selig appointed a committee to research the A's stadium options in March 2009, but there has been no public revelation of those findings. But Beane has expressed optimism this winter that a decision will come soon.
    Ken Rosenthal made it sound like less of a sure thing, but suggests the latest player dump could be linked to a possible move.



    It almost seems like a dare.

    The Oakland Athletics are again dismantling, this time in preparation for a move to San Jose that baseball has yet to formally consider, much less approve.

    “We have no chance but to operate under the possible illusion that we’ll get a new stadium,” A’s general manager Billy Beane said Friday. “It’s really the only answer for us.”

    So, here we go again.

    Baseball needs to resolve the Athletics’ future, and soon.

    But for now, the opening date for Cisco Field in San Jose remains the Twelfth of Never, and Athletics officials do not consider Oakland a viable long-term option.

    In mid-November, I reported that baseball was trying to accelerate a decision on whether to allow the A’s to relocate to San Jose and that a meeting between commissioner Bud Selig and San Francisco Giants officials would take place within two weeks.

    That meeting still has not occurred, according to major league sources. The Giants remain adamantly opposed to relinquishing their territorial rights to San Jose and the South Bay region. And the Athletics’ situation will not be on the agenda at the next owners’ meetings in January, sources say.

    Full speed ahead!

    The A’s, forced to prepare for another season in limbo, assessed their position relative to their two principal division rivals, the two-time defending AL champion Texas Rangers and suddenly free-spending Los Angeles Angels.

    The assessment, which took about six seconds to complete, produced the obvious conclusion: The Athletics have zero chance to contend in 2012.

    Hence the white flag, which the A’s are waving quite prominently, certainly high enough for Selig to see.

    If baseball allows the Athletics to move to San Jose, the A’s will be ahead of the curve with their latest rebuilding plan, timing the development of their young players to coincide with the opening of the new park. Co-owner Lewis Wolff has said that once the team is free to move, the park could open in 30 to 36 months.

    But if baseball continues to delay approval — and keep in mind, Selig appointed a three-member committee to study the franchise’s situation in March 2009 — then the Athletics will continue to assemble one cheap young team after another, operating in accordance with their sinking revenues.

    Right-hander Trevor Cahill and lefty Gio Gonzalez, the latest veterans traded by the A’s, were not all that established or expensive, at least not for any team living above baseball’s poverty line.

    Cahill, 23, is under club control through 2017, with team-friendly salaries that top out at $13.5 million in his final season. Gonzalez, 26, is under club control for four more years, albeit at arbitration-inflated numbers.

    Both had to go, in the Athletics’ judgment.

    Time to get younger players, and start their clocks anew.

    Cahill went to the Diamondbacks, Gonzalez to the Nationals. Closer Andrew Bailey, 27, will be next, possibly followed by catcher Kurt Suzuki, 28. Both are under club control for three more seasons.

    “Given the strengths of a couple of teams in our division and their offseason expenditures, it would be Pollyanna-ish to think we could patch something together with a $55 million payroll and expect to compete,” Beane said.

    So, why bother?

    Beane, according to rival executives, did well for Cahill, even better for Gonzalez. The GM's plan is to collect as many prospects as possible, sync up their developments and then open Cisco Field in grand style.

    “The most successful organization opening a stadium was still the Cleveland Indians,” Beane said, referring to the Indians’ opening of Progressive Field (then Jacobs Field) in 1994.

    “For me, they provide the model entry into a new facility — not just having a good stadium, but having a good young team that you can sustain over a long course of time. That’s what we’re using as a blueprint.”

    Good idea. Strong execution.

    Alas, the park remains an illusion.
    Here is what that illusion would look like:




    I personally want to see it happen. I think the right ballpark could make that organization relevant again. I know the Giants are bitching about giving up their territory south of the bay but they can buzz off.
  • Warner2BruceTD
    2011 Poster Of The Year
    • Mar 2009
    • 26142

    #2
    The A's should just fold. They make me sick.

    Funny how the Nationals all of a sudden start spending money the last two years, or how the Miami ownership suddenly finds hundreds of millions of dollars to sign free agents (yeah, yeah, I know...they are banking on the new stadium, wink wink).

    A new stadium won't change much, because what you have is owners who have money and are just too cheap to spend it. Funny how when teams get close to winning, they suddenly find a few extra million to sign a free agent or keep a player. Funny how the Dodgers owner is supposedly bankrupt but they find a way to extend Kemp. I think baseball is full of owners who just refuse to spend money, and the A's are at the top of the list as the worst offenders. They'll shake down taxpayers to build the stadium, then go back to crying poverty and trading everybody who hits 24.

    The A's have been a glorified farm system for much of their existence. Outside of the early Connie Mack era, the early 70's, and the late 80's, the A's have largely been a terrible franchise that auctions off players in their prime while crying poverty. The Yankees regularly fleeced the A's for players during the 50's and 60's to the point it became a running joke and the league had to step in.

    Now they want to move a third time. It will fix nothing unless the ownership sells to a new billionaire who is committed to spending, even if it means (gasp) breaking even on what amounts to a side hobby.

    Fuck Beane, fuck the A's.

    Merry Christmas.

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    • FUSE
      Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 1204

      #3
      Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
      The A's should just fold. They make me sick.

      Funny how the Nationals all of a sudden start spending money the last two years, or how the Miami ownership suddenly finds hundreds of millions of dollars to sign free agents (yeah, yeah, I know...they are banking on the new stadium, wink wink).

      A new stadium won't change much, because what you have is owners who have money and are just too cheap to spend it. Funny how when teams get close to winning, they suddenly find a few extra million to sign a free agent or keep a player. Funny how the Dodgers owner is supposedly bankrupt but they find a way to extend Kemp. I think baseball is full of owners who just refuse to spend money, and the A's are at the top of the list as the worst offenders. They'll shake down taxpayers to build the stadium, then go back to crying poverty and trading everybody who hits 24.

      The A's have been a glorified farm system for much of their existence. Outside of the early Connie Mack era, the early 70's, and the late 80's, the A's have largely been a terrible franchise that auctions off players in their prime while crying poverty. The Yankees regularly fleeced the A's for players during the 50's and 60's to the point it became a running joke and the league had to step in.

      Now they want to move a third time. It will fix nothing unless the ownership sells to a new billionaire who is committed to spending, even if it means (gasp) breaking even on what amounts to a side hobby.

      Fuck Beane, fuck the A's.

      Merry Christmas.
      As an A's fan, I just want a new stadium. I dont give a fuck where it is as long as its in the Bay Area. I'm tired of the shithole that is the Coliseum. The Raiders can have it.

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      • Warner2BruceTD
        2011 Poster Of The Year
        • Mar 2009
        • 26142

        #4
        Originally posted by Phantom26
        As an A's fan,
        I feel for you.

        I don't know how you don't give up. Do you even bother getting behind players anymore? I mean, they bring in a whole new slew of prospects from Cahill & Gio, and Beane will be trading them away in three years for more 20 year olds. It would drive me nuts.

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        • EmpireWF
          Giants in the Super Bowl
          • Mar 2009
          • 24082

          #5
          Looking at the moves this off-season in a vacuum, it's not the worst thing in the world. They trade away a couple guys who will only see their salary increase over the next few years while they don't foresee contending in the majors.

          They get a bunch of high ceiling prospects who may make it to the big leagues by the time they get their new stadium and inject some excitement into the franchise as they potentially contend.

          Could be worse. Could be sending their valuable players now away for literally nothing.

          Of course, if those prospects all crap out...well fuck. And in the meantime, there really is absolutely no reason to be excited about A's baseball in 2011 or 2012. That's what sucks most.

          The Mets are just a high paying version of the A's at this point (waiting until 2014 to contend). See what happens with David Wright come July.


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          • FUSE
            Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 1204

            #6
            Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
            I feel for you.

            I don't know how you don't give up. Do you even bother getting behind players anymore? I mean, they bring in a whole new slew of prospects from Cahill & Gio, and Beane will be trading them away in three years for more 20 year olds. It would drive me nuts.
            I think I havent given up because I have been an A's fan for so long. Im 23 now and ive been a fan since I was 2. I havebecome accustom to the A's dumping current players for new ones. My view has been to just enjoy the players we currently have as long as they are around and maybe its a naive hope but im hoping that with this new stadium, the additional revenue that we get from potentially attracting new fans, sponsorships, free agents( they dont want to come now because the coliseum is a shithole, nobody goes to the games because coliseum is a shithole/A's dont keep anyone around), etc will allow the organization to keep some players around.

            I probably one of the more loyal fans. I think I went to around 15 games last season just during the summer that I was back home for summer break.

            I've though about giving up but never did. I can't see myself ever rooting for another team. I hate the Giants and their fans around the bay(more so now that the bandwagoners hopped on because of the recent world series) and I dont want to pick a new team for no reason.

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            • ThomasTomasz
              • Nov 2024

              #7
              This is why Beane is one of the most overrated GMs out there. He's sent talent away, and its not as though this team was bad off. They have a great core of pitching but need some help on offense, but instead of getting some help immediately- Adam Jones could have been a target of theirs, or even talking to the Reds for Alonser- they trade for more prospects.

              Heck, they have more prospects than the Orioles do, but it would frustrate me to no end having one of the better farms but to continue retooling it and not going all in when the players are ready, like the Reds are doing.

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              • NAHSTE
                Probably owns the site
                • Feb 2009
                • 22233

                #8
                Originally posted by ThomasTomasz
                This is why Beane is one of the most overrated GMs out there. He's sent talent away, and its not as though this team was bad off. They have a great core of pitching but need some help on offense, but instead of getting some help immediately- Adam Jones could have been a target of theirs, or even talking to the Reds for Alonser- they trade for more prospects.

                Heck, they have more prospects than the Orioles do, but it would frustrate me to no end having one of the better farms but to continue retooling it and not going all in when the players are ready, like the Reds are doing.
                The problem with Beane is the last two times he tried this he blew the execution and got terrible returns for his big pieces.

                His trade record has been pretty awful lately.

                -Dec. 16, 2004: Traded Tim Hudson to the Atlanta Braves for Juan Cruz, Dan Meyer and Charles Thomas.
                December 18, 2004: Traded Mark Mulder to the Oakland Athletics to the St. Louis Cardinals for Daric Barton, Kiko Calero and Dan Haren.
                -Dec. 13, 2005: Traded minor league OF Andre Ethier to the Los Angeles Dodgers in exchange for OF Milton Bradley and IF Antonio Perez
                -Dec. 14, 2007: Traded Dan Haren and Connor Robertson to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland, Carlos Gonzalez and Greg Smith.
                -Dec. 10, 2008: Traded Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Huston Street for Matt Holliday.
                -July 24, 2009: Traded Matt Holliday to the St. Louis Cardinals for Shane Peterson (minors), Clayton Mortensen and Brett Wallace.


                We are looking at a five year stretch in which Billy Beane made a terrible trade almost every December. The two best players he received during that overhauls (CarGo, Haren) ended up getting flipped for more quantity and less quality down the road.

                No wonder that system fell apart, Beane did a terrible job of restocking it once the fire sale started.

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                • FUSE
                  Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1204

                  #9
                  Most fans in the Bay have been calling for Beane's head for the last couple seasons now. I remember seeing a sign that some fan would bring that said:

                  Fire Fischer(A's majority owner who is partnered with Lew Wolffe)
                  Fire Beane
                  Fire Geren (I'm glad this shitbag got canned last year. He was worthless. Couldn't even put together a lineup card correctly let alone manage a team)

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                  • ThomasTomasz
                    • Nov 2024

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Phantom26
                    Most fans in the Bay have been calling for Beane's head for the last couple seasons now. I remember seeing a sign that some fan would bring that said:

                    Fire Fischer(A's majority owner who is partnered with Lew Wolffe)
                    Fire Beane
                    Fire Geren (I'm glad this shitbag got canned last year. He was worthless. Couldn't even put together a lineup card correctly let alone manage a team)
                    Beane won't ever be fired because he has a share of ownership. Good luck with that. I actually consider him to be extremely overrated and any other GM with his recent track record would have been canned in any other situation.

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                    • Villain
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                      • May 2011
                      • 7768

                      #11
                      San Jose would be a nice place for a new stadium. I saw the site where it is planned to be when my sister used to live in Fremont. That part of the Bay is really nice looking and it seems like it's just getting ready to explode with money. All those tech companies are really doing well over there.
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