Marlins Call up Jose Fernandez - Check your leagues waiver wire now!

[Goober]

This is kind of a cold way to look at this ... but why should the Marlins give two fucks about his shoulder? There is a really good chance that in 6 years he is either too expensive for them to keep and thus trade bait, or has already sustained a major arm injury anyway.

Just the nature of the beast, pitchers get hurt. Even the ones who are "handled" properly will get hurt. I'm starting to think the best method for a team is to just ride their young starters until the wheels fall off, then let them walk when their arb years are done. Give no fucks about protecting the longterm investment, because that's not the way pitchers' career arcs work, nor is it how the salary structure in baseball operates.

I agree with this to an extent. I don't think major league teams should abuse young arms, like college teams do. But I do think there is room to push these guys harder then teams do at the moment. Unless the medical science behind pitching makes some drastic developments, it will still be impossible to predict arm injuries, but what we do know is that there's a good chance it will happen at some point. If these guys are ticking time bombs, then get what you can out of them. If a young pitcher is pitching great and not showing signs of fatigue, why shut him down? Especially when you can be as cautious as you want and still get burned by the injury bug (strasburg).

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

This is kind of a cold way to look at this ... but why should the Marlins give two fucks about his shoulder? There is a really good chance that in 6 years he is either too expensive for them to keep and thus trade bait, or has already sustained a major arm injury anyway.

Just the nature of the beast, pitchers get hurt. Even the ones who are "handled" properly will get hurt. I'm starting to think the best method for a team is to just ride their young starters until the wheels fall off, then let them walk when their arb years are done. Give no fucks about protecting the longterm investment, because that's not the way pitchers' career arcs work, nor is it how the salary structure in baseball operates.

And this is why they have 300 people in the stadium on a Saturday afternoon.

[NAHSTE]

I agree with this to an extent. I don't think major league teams should abuse young arms, like college teams do. But I do think there is room to push these guys harder then teams do at the moment. Unless the medical science behind pitching makes some drastic developments, it will still be impossible to predict arm injuries, but what we do know is that there's a good chance it will happen at some point. If these guys are ticking time bombs, then get what you can out of them. If a young pitcher is pitching great and not showing signs of fatigue, why shut him down? Especially when you can be as cautious as you want and still get burned by the injury bug (strasburg).

Pretty much what I was trying to say. I am not advocating abuse or negligence, but there should be a bit less worry about arm injuries. If it's a shoulder, well, that shit happens and is unfortunately probably ruinous. But if it's an elbow injury it's almost as if those are like chicken pox for pitchers -- the younger you are when you have it, the easier it is to recover from. If you're gonna need Tommy John, getting it out of the way early is fine.

But that's a really negative, cold way of looking at the game. I don't want to look at a young pitcher as a 6-year endentured servent with a ticking clock in his arm. I want to just be able to enjoy Fernandez, and Shelby Miller and Gerrit Cole and Dylan Bundy and Stephen Strasburg in a non-cynical way, it's just harder once you really see how the sausage gets made.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Everybody knows where I stand on babying pitchers. It's a waste of time. Injuries are going to happen regardless. I'm not advocating 300 innings like Vida Blue circa 1973, but there is no evidence (at all) that innings limits have curtailed injury. I've repeated this endlessly, but the fact is there are more pitcher DL stints & major arm injuries than ever before. Teams just keep instituting innings limits because they figure it can't hurt. But there is nothing to suggest, that short of abuse, it helps.

Keep in mind I do believe abuse exists and does lead to injury. But that's a different argument than innings limits preventing injury. It's a fine line. Every body is different. There is no magic number. Do I think baseball in general takes it too far? Yes, I do. I believe there are plenty of pitchers who if they had been conditioned to do so, could easily throw 300 innings. But we don't train this way anymore. We build guys up to 200. You can't turn around and push guys to 250, 300. I'm willing to debate whether that's good or bad. I don't know. It would be nice to not have to employ the Manna Parra's of the world and carry an extra platoon player or two. I do know that.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Also, I read that Miami could have called up Fernandez something like 6 days later (one start), and kept him an extra season. That's just plain retarded if true.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Who mentioned anything about inning limits?

Its simple...the Marlins suck...they know they suck...why are you putting your prize starting pitcher through the rigors of a full major league season in a season that is meaningless.

The Marlins can not sustain success...the two World Series...they don't mean shit down here to the fans when the team constantly goes through "rebuilding" phases. In Miami, you are competing against a million other forms of entertainment, you MUST have a team that can compete otherwise, no one is coming to games. And, the August, September, and October they DO show up when the Marlins are making their once a decade run, doesn't offset all of the years where they don't and people couldn't give less of a fuck.

So, you got your prize player, playing in front of nobody, for a season that means nothing. Its why the Marlins can't maintain success and its why they can't get people in seats.

[Goober]

Gawd.

So good.

[Woy]

Give him the ROY award for both leagues.

[NAHSTE]

This is kind of a cold way to look at this ... but why should the Marlins give two fucks about his shoulder? There is a really good chance that in 6 years he is either too expensive for them to keep and thus trade bait, or has already sustained a major arm injury anyway.

Just the nature of the beast, pitchers get hurt. Even the ones who are "handled" properly will get hurt. I'm starting to think the best method for a team is to just ride their young starters until the wheels fall off, then let them walk when their arb years are done. Give no fucks about protecting the longterm investment, because that's not the way pitchers' career arcs work, nor is it how the salary structure in baseball operates.

Bump.

[Mogriffjr]

Bump.

RUH-ROH

[Slateman]

Bump.

LOOK WHAT YOU DID!!!!!!

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

They are going to ruin this kid, aren't they?

There is nothing these eyes don't see.

[NAHSTE]