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  • dave
    Go the fuck outside
    • Oct 2008
    • 15492

    #16
    Originally posted by Primetime
    The new TV deal refers to the current TV deal ending in 2015.

    As for avoiding tanking....your answer is to decrease parity even more to end it? Hell no.
    Honestly Primetime, I wish I had the answers. As a Raptors' fan, it sucks to me that people are still asking if my team should trade Lowry and Derozan and still tank. I want to puke when I hear theories like this. Don't get me wrong, I understand my Raptors won't win the East. I understand they won't win the title ... but in their current setup, they're damn interesting. I want to see this current team compete in the playoffs ... not tank for a chance at a kid who is far from a sure thing. Wiggins, IMO, is behind Parker and Embiid. Happy he's a kid from Toronto, but I don't want my team tanking for an impossible shot at him.
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    • Primetime
      Thank You Prince
      • Nov 2008
      • 17526

      #17
      Originally posted by dave
      Honestly Primetime, I wish I had the answers. As a Raptors' fan, it sucks to me that people are still asking if my team should trade Lowry and Derozan and still tank. I want to puke when I hear theories like this. Don't get me wrong, I understand my Raptors won't win the East. I understand they won't win the title ... but in their current setup, they're damn interesting. I want to see this current team compete in the playoffs ... not tank for a chance at a kid who is far from a sure thing. Wiggins, IMO, is behind Parker and Embiid. Happy he's a kid from Toronto, but I don't want my team tanking for an impossible shot at him.
      Raptors don't have a shit at any of those 3 even with tanking so just stop reading whatever posts you're currently reading.

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      • spursup
        Noob
        • Dec 2013
        • 505

        #18
        Originally posted by dave
        Honestly Primetime, I wish I had the answers. As a Raptors' fan, it sucks to me that people are still asking if my team should trade Lowry and Derozan and still tank. I want to puke when I hear theories like this. Don't get me wrong, I understand my Raptors won't win the East. I understand they won't win the title ... but in their current setup, they're damn interesting. I want to see this current team compete in the playoffs ... not tank for a chance at a kid who is far from a sure thing. Wiggins, IMO, is behind Parker and Embiid. Happy he's a kid from Toronto, but I don't want my team tanking for an impossible shot at him.
        I hear this all the time about how the Raptors should tank. I don't even live in Canada. Then I hear that the Knicks should tank, as if they could be any worse. Honestly, I don't want to see tanking in professional sports. When I watch my Nets play, the only reason I ever stop watching in the middle of the game is if I see them mailing it in or showing a lack of effort. I don't get what's wrong with the NBA? Other sports don't have major tanking problems. Everybody tries in baseball and football, but basketball shows the exact opposite. It's a major problem that's going to lose the league a lot of fans if it isn't solved soon.

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        • Primetime
          Thank You Prince
          • Nov 2008
          • 17526

          #19
          Originally posted by baseballchampion
          I hear this all the time about how the Raptors should tank. I don't even live in Canada. Then I hear that the Knicks should tank, as if they could be any worse. Honestly, I don't want to see tanking in professional sports. When I watch my Nets play, the only reason I ever stop watching in the middle of the game is if I see them mailing it in or showing a lack of effort. I don't get what's wrong with the NBA? Other sports don't have major tanking problems. Everybody tries in baseball and football, but basketball shows the exact opposite. It's a major problem that's going to lose the league a lot of fans if it isn't solved soon.
          One player can just the outlook for an entire franchise. You only see that with QBs in the NFL and it's still somewhat rare. One player doesn't mean anything in baseball.

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          • dave
            Go the fuck outside
            • Oct 2008
            • 15492

            #20
            Originally posted by Primetime
            One player can just the outlook for an entire franchise. You only see that with QBs in the NFL and it's still somewhat rare. One player doesn't mean anything in baseball.
            I get what you're saying, and I'd love the Raps to get Parker, but I subscribe to Herm Edwards' theory ... you play to fucking win. The second you say you don't, you are not Joe Montana worthy.
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            • spursup
              Noob
              • Dec 2013
              • 505

              #21
              Originally posted by Primetime
              One player can just the outlook for an entire franchise. You only see that with QBs in the NFL and it's still somewhat rare. One player doesn't mean anything in baseball.
              So the shortstop can just stop trying and the team can still win? No. Every player is important. Everybody tries. In basketball, not everyone tries, which is why tanking is a problem.

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              • spursup
                Noob
                • Dec 2013
                • 505

                #22
                Originally posted by dave
                I get what you're saying, and I'd love the Raps to get Parker, but I subscribe to Herm Edwards' theory ... you play to fucking win. The second you say you don't, you are not Joe Montana worthy.
                The second you don't, you are not worthy of playing. Get off the court if you won't try. I want good, competitive, hard fought basketball where both teams do whatever it takes to win the game.

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                • Primetime
                  Thank You Prince
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 17526

                  #23
                  Originally posted by baseballchampion
                  So the shortstop can just stop trying and the team can still win? No. Every player is important. Everybody tries. In basketball, not everyone tries, which is why tanking is a problem.
                  You're missing the premise. If a guy like Lebron comes in vs a replacement player, it makes 100x the difference as a premiere shortstop vs a replacement player. You need a couple stars in basketball and a few role players. That gives you nothing in baseball.
                  Last edited by Primetime; 02-04-2014, 11:05 AM.

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                  • JimLeavy59
                    War Hero
                    • May 2012
                    • 7199

                    #24
                    Originally posted by baseballchampion
                    The second you don't, you are not worthy of playing. Get off the court if you won't try. I want good, competitive, hard fought basketball where both teams do whatever it takes to win the game.
                    Stick to baseball please. These last two post were god awful.

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                    • Argath
                      $2 whore
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 9241

                      #25
                      When you only have 5 players on the court at one time, one player can have a significant impact on the outcome of a game. You're never going to get rid of tanking unless you do as previously suggested and reward the teams who win the championship with the 1st pick. However if you do this, you'll have franchises stuck at the bottom for decades due to never getting those impact players. I don't think you'll ever be able to fairly solve tanking. I'd worry more about parity.

                      What I don't understand:

                      Why anyone would ever want the court size increased and the shot clock decreased. All this would do is spread the floor even more than it already is and lead to more forced shots and terrible looks. Help defense would become near impossible. Teams would run more isolation and play the one on one matchups instead of working the ball around and running plays. It would look like a game of pick up basketball and would be terrible.

                      In regards to the draft limit, it should be reset to 18. It's ridiculous that the NBA forces these kids to risk injury (and millions in potential $$$). The teams know the risks of drafting a player right out of high school. At 18 you can legally enter contracts in the US. There's no reason to A) Keep the draft age at 19 and B) to raise the draft age. Players with the potential of Kobe/Lebron/etc should not be forced to go to college. I'm willing to bet 90% of the kids they've forced into college (those who could have gone pro after HS) over the past 5-6 years haven't even graduated from college.

                      I'd like to see Silver take the league back to the "Let the boys play" style of basketball (though I know this will never happen). Bring tough, hard nose defense back and stop calling the ticky-tack fouls. If you're in the paint, you should expect to get rough housed. It's like calling unnecessary roughness on an offensive-lineman for pancaking a corner. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen (or in this case the paint). It's that simple.


                      The rest of the points you make I can get on board with.

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                      • JimLeavy59
                        War Hero
                        • May 2012
                        • 7199

                        #26
                        I'd love to see the NBA allow hand checking.

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                        • JimLeavy59
                          War Hero
                          • May 2012
                          • 7199

                          #27
                          Originally posted by baseballchampion
                          I hear this all the time about how the Raptors should tank. I don't even live in Canada. Then I hear that the Knicks should tank, as if they could be any worse. Honestly, I don't want to see tanking in professional sports. When I watch my Nets play, the only reason I ever stop watching in the middle of the game is if I see them mailing it in or showing a lack of effort. I don't get what's wrong with the NBA? Other sports don't have major tanking problems. Everybody tries in baseball and football, but basketball shows the exact opposite. It's a major problem that's going to lose the league a lot of fans if it isn't solved soon.
                          What?

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                          • Glenbino
                            Jelly and Ice Cream
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 4994

                            #28
                            No tanking in baseball?

                            Someone hasn't been watching the Astros...

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                            • spursup
                              Noob
                              • Dec 2013
                              • 505

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Glenbino
                              No tanking in baseball?

                              Someone hasn't been watching the Astros...

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                              The Astros don't have talent to begin with. There's a difference between tanking and just being god-awful.

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                              • Glenbino
                                Jelly and Ice Cream
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 4994

                                #30
                                Originally posted by baseballchampion
                                The Astros don't have talent to begin with. There's a difference between tanking and just being god-awful.
                                That is purposely playing with a subpar roster to acquire top picks to rebuild the farm system.

                                It's the definition of tanking.

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