Top Goals for Adam Silver as New Commissioner

[spursup]

There is no such thing as playing with a purposely sub-par roster. When was the last time they made a trade that you think showed they were tanking?

[Glenbino]

There is no such thing as playing with a purposely sub-par roster. When was the last time they made a trade that you think showed they were tanking?

It's not about action so much as inaction..

When was the last time they made any kind of transaction that made you believe they were trying to make a push this year?

I'm not arguing with the strategy, just your blindness too it across ALL professional team sports.

There are smart guys in these front offices, and if this plan didn't work they wouldn't all be doing it.

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[spursup]

Trading away an old guy like Roy Oswalt doesn't count as tanking. They weren't going to win with him anyway.
Hunter Pence and Carlos Lee were getting older. The Astros were one of the worst teams in the league with them anyway. It was better to get at least something out of them by trading them than to get nothing out of them by keeping them and paying their large contracts.

This is a situation almost identical to the one with the Rays and Nationals around 2007. Can you legitimately say they were tanking or simply building on their lack of talent?

[Glenbino]

Trading away an old guy like Roy Oswalt doesn't count as tanking. They weren't going to win with him anyway.
Hunter Pence and Carlos Lee were getting older. The Astros were one of the worst teams in the league with them anyway. It was better to get at least something out of them by trading them than to get nothing out of them by keeping them and paying their large contracts.

This is a situation almost identical to the one with the Rays and Nationals around 2007. Can you legitimately say they were tanking or simply building on their lack of talent?

Tanking.

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[JeremyHight]

Parity/Tanking - Redo the lottery. First pick is randomly drawn from every team who missed the playoffs with the team with the best record (ie. 9th seed in East or West) gets the most balls and everyone else follows down to 5%. The 2nd pick on will always go to the worst seed, 3rd to second worst, and so on. This makes it so teams are fighting to win and not fighting to lose. Yes, there could be an 8th seed who tanks and goes to the draft instead of the playoffs, but that typically won't happen as teams like the playoff revenue boost from attendance over getting only a shot at the #1 pick and getting the 14th pick if they don't get it.

Revenue Sharing - A must, along with a hard salary cap and a hard salary floor. Making a salary cap would be tough, but giving a salary floor and better revenue sharing would mean overall, more money for players and more parity.

Reviews - Make it centralized in the league office like the NHL. They have by far the best system, imo.

[spursup]

Tanking.

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Any realistic person calls it building. You can't really trade all of your veterans in the NBA and say, "We're building for the future!" because everybody's on your roster already. In baseball, putting talent in the minors to develop is okay, because it can destroy one's career to be in the majors and get crushed by everybody, so therefore it is okay to say "We're building for the future because we are already out of the race this year" in baseball because there actually is such thing as building talent aside from the major league team.

Don't give me crap about the D-League. Nobody is going to ever come out of there that is anything more than a bench warmer.

[Glenbino]

Any realistic person calls it building. You can't really trade all of your veterans in the NBA and say, "We're building for the future!" because everybody's on your roster already. In baseball, putting talent in the minors to develop is okay, because it can destroy one's career to be in the majors and get crushed by everybody, so therefore it is okay to say "We're building for the future because we are already out of the race this year" in baseball because there actually is such thing as building talent aside from the major league team.

Don't give me crap about the D-League. Nobody is going to ever come out of there that is anything more than a bench warmer.

No.. You trade them for draft picks and cap space to add talent from the NBAs minor league, the NCAA.

It's the exact same premise being applied within the confines of each particular league's respective CBA.

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[spursup]

No.. You trade them for draft picks and cap space to add talent from the NBAs minor league, the NCAA.

It's the exact same premise being applied within the confines of each particular league's respective CBA.

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Trading for a minor leaguer, except PTBNL, is something where you are being given the rights to a PLAYER. Trading for draft picks in the NBA is spotty. You could trade a veteran for the first rounder of an 8-seed thinking you'll get a lottery pick and you could end up with pick 30. You could end up getting nothing for the deal because you are being given the rights to a PICK, not a PLAYER.

[spursup]

No.. You trade them for draft picks and cap space to add talent from the NBAs minor league, the NCAA.

It's the exact same premise being applied within the confines of each particular league's respective CBA.

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Trading for a minor leaguer, except PTBNL, is something where you are being given the rights to a PLAYER. Trading for draft picks in the NBA is spotty. You could trade a veteran for the first rounder of an 8-seed thinking you'll get a lottery pick and you could end up with pick 30. You could end up getting nothing for the deal because you are being given the rights to a PICK, not a PLAYER.

[spursup]

Oops, double posted there. Sorry.

[dave]

Reviews - Make it centralized in the league office like the NHL. They have by far the best system, imo.

Agree with this. The NFL should do this too.

[Argath]

Don't give me crap about the D-League. Nobody is going to ever come out of there that is anything more than a bench warmer.

Just off the top of my head..

Rafer Alston
Jeremy Lin
Ramon Sessions
Jordan Farmar
Marcin Gortat
Matt Barnes
Shannon Brown
Brandon Bass
Birdman


All played D-League. All started or had key roles on teams at some point in their career. I'm sure there's plenty others I'm missing.

[Glenbino]

Trading for a minor leaguer, except PTBNL, is something where you are being given the rights to a PLAYER. Trading for draft picks in the NBA is spotty. You could trade a veteran for the first rounder of an 8-seed thinking you'll get a lottery pick and you could end up with pick 30. You could end up getting nothing for the deal because you are being given the rights to a PICK, not a PLAYER.

How exactly could you come away with nothing again?

Even if you come away with pick 30, you're adding a player to your roster.

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[Argath]

Trading for a minor leaguer, except PTBNL, is something where you are being given the rights to a PLAYER. Trading for draft picks in the NBA is spotty. You could trade a veteran for the first rounder of an 8-seed thinking you'll get a lottery pick and you could end up with pick 30. You could end up getting nothing for the deal because you are being given the rights to a PICK, not a PLAYER.

Just sayin if you trade for the 1st round pick of the 8 seed and think you're getting in the lottery, you got more issues than one player is gonna solve

you can't get in the lottery if you're in the playoffs you fucking dunce