BCS/Bowl Selection Discussion...

[Vinsane]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the match-ups? It sure seems like it. After years, and years (and yes, years) of watching this go down. Was it really any surprise that it was going to be Bama/Texas? Or better yet, that Cincy/Boise/TCU was going to get shut out? You all knew it was coming, cry foul all you want but you'll NEVER see a NON-BCS school, compete for a BCS Championship.

And then lets move on to Cincy, if they had blown out Pittsburgh, then yes, they would have claim to the title game. Yet they struggled against an average opponent and wound up on top, all because of a botched XP on Pittsburgh's side. Too bad, so sad Bearcats. So they get rewarded with Tesus and the Gators. Good luck winning that one.

Putting Boise against TCU? Again, what hurts the BCS credibility more, four undefeated teams, or two? We're used to having two undefeated teams at the end of the year. Having four would mean the BCS would almost have to go and implement a playoff system. The fallout of having four teams claim a championship would be too much for the BCS to withstand.

Oh, Texas? Yes they struggled against an average opponent as well. And thank god for them that McCoy didn't put any more loft on that ball. Either way you slice it, the #3 team is not going to get leapfrogged by the #4 team (who was idle mind you). When the #2 team wins against the #1, it's not going to happen.

Boise should be crying more about the fact that they were behind Florida at the end of it all, Florida should not be rewarded a #5, when an undefeated sits right behind them. That's about all I can disagree with, right there.

[Senser81]

I really doubt it honestly.

The Sugar had to replace Alabama...took Florida.

The Fiesta had to replace Texas. Took the strong regional pick in TCU. Replacing one Texas team with another.

The Rose was set.

The Orange had to take Tech.

Then the Orange Bowl picks and they take Iowa. Not a bad pick as Iowa has the best traveling fan base of any of the teams left that are eligible.

The Fiesta picks next and had to choose from Cinci, Boise St, Va Tech, or BYU. Them taking Boise St back isn't that much of a shock seeing as they had them when they upset Oklahoma so there is some history there. Frankly, they didn't have much to choose from really. You could make a case for Cinci but even still they have some history with Boise so it makes it a bit more of a compelling pick plus you have the two Cinderellas playing each other.

The Sugar Bowl pretty much got stuck with Cincinnati at that point because of the autobids.

And honestly if you wanted to be conspiratorial about it you could say the Fiesta, by picking Boise, therefore guaranteed that there would be at least two undefeated teams at the end of the season thus throwing the BCS/Playoff debate into even higher gear. They could have done it by choosing Cinci though too. Either way the theory works.

How exactly did it go with the bowl pick order? It seems to me that the Fiesta picked TCU with their first pick, and then when the bowl picks snaked back around the Fiesta got stuck with Boise State because the Orange Bowl was allowed to pick a two-loss Iowa team over an undefeated Boise team. The Fiesta Bowl didn't really have all that much choice. It should have been GT v. Boise in the Orange Bowl, and TCU v. Iowa in the Fiesta Bowl, no?

And LOL at the Gator Bowl having a tie-in with the #2 ACC finisher, but instead overlooking Clemson and ACC teams #3-#5 and taking a 6-6 Florida State team instead.

The whole system is a joke.

[Woy]

Guess who was right all along? PSU did NOT make the BCS, as I guaranteed. Now they are gonna get their quantam singularity kicked by LSU.

I think all the bcs games are good. If Bama/Texas is sloppy and Cincy beats UF in a good fashion, Cincy should get an AP National Championship

LOL @ Cincy getting an AP National Championship. God, you're a fucking idiot.

[Vinsane]

And LOL at the Gator Bowl having a tie-in with the #2 ACC finisher, but instead overlooking Clemson and ACC teams #3-#5 and taking a 6-6 Florida State team instead.

The whole system is a joke.

More or less a "send off" for Bobbie Bowden who doesn't have to leave the state of Florida.

[Archer]

How exactly did it go with the bowl pick order? It seems to me that the Fiesta picked TCU with their first pick, and then when the bowl picks snaked back around the Fiesta got stuck with Boise State because the Orange Bowl was allowed to pick a two-loss Iowa team over an undefeated Boise team. The Fiesta Bowl didn't really have all that much choice. It should have been GT v. Boise in the Orange Bowl, and TCU v. Iowa in the Fiesta Bowl, no?

And LOL at the Gator Bowl having a tie-in with the #2 ACC finisher, but instead overlooking Clemson and ACC teams #3-#5 and taking a 6-6 Florida State team instead.

The whole system is a joke.

1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings will be placed in the National Championship Game ("NCG").

2. Unless they qualify to play in the NCG, the champions of selected conferences are contractually committed to host selected games:


Atlantic Coast Conference-Orange Bowl
Big Ten Conference-Rose Bowl
Big 12 Conference-Fiesta Bowl
Pac-10 Conference-Rose Bowl
Southeastern Conference-Sugar Bowl

3. If a bowl loses a host team to the NCG, then such bowl shall select a replacement team from among the automatic-qualifying teams and the at-large teams before any other selections are made. If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick. If the Rose Bowl loses both the Big Ten and Pac-10 champions to the NCG, it will receive two replacement picks.

(For the games of January 2011 through 2014, the first year the Rose Bowl loses a team to the NCG and a team from the non-AQ group is an automatic qualifier, that non-AQ team will play in the Rose Bowl.)

A bowl choosing a replacement team may not select any of the following:


A. A team in the NCG;
B. The host team for another BCS Bowl;
C. When two bowls lose host teams, then the bowl losing the number one team may not select a replacement team from the same conference as the number two team, unless the bowl losing the number two team consents.

4. After steps No. 1, 2 and 3 have been completed, any bowl with an unfilled slot shall select a team from the automatic qualifiers and/or at-large teams in the following order for the games played in 2007 through 2010:


A. The bowl played on the date nearest to the National Championship Game will pick first;
B. The bowl played on the date second-nearest to the National Championship Game will pick second;
C. The bowl hosting the game that is played in the time slot immediately after the Rose Bowl game will pick third.

The selection order noted in paragraphs A, B and C is as follows:


January 2007 games: Sugar, Orange, Fiesta
January 2008 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar
January 2009 games: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange
January 2010 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

So yeah , it was either Cincy or Boise left for the Fiesta bowl . And since Cincy travelled so poorly to the orange bowl last time .... it had to be Boise

[Senser81]

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

So yeah , it was either Cincy or Boise left for the Fiesta bowl . And since Cincy travelled so poorly to the orange bowl last time .... it had to be Boise

Judging from the order you listed...Orange, Fiesta, Sugar.

The Orange had an ACC tie-in, so they HAD to choose Georgia Tech.

Fiesta makes a suprising selection of TCU, even though Cincy is ranked higher.

Sugar had an SEC tie-in, so they HAD to choose Florida.

The Orange can now select an at-large team...and they choose Iowa????

Fiesta has another at-large choice, and again they pass over a higher-ranked Cincy team for Boise State????

Sugar has to take the last remaining team, which is also the highest rated team not in the BCS title game...Cincy???


It still doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[Archer]

Judging from the order you listed...Orange, Fiesta, Sugar.

The Orange had an ACC tie-in, so they HAD to choose Georgia Tech.

Fiesta makes a suprising selection of TCU, even though Cincy is ranked higher.

Sugar had an SEC tie-in, so they HAD to choose Florida.

The Orange can now select an at-large team...and they choose Iowa????

Fiesta has another at-large choice, and again they pass over a higher-ranked Cincy team for Boise State????

Sugar has to take the last remaining team, which is also the highest rated team not in the BCS title game...Cincy???


It still doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Fiesta took TCU because Cincys fans put on a bad showing at the 2009 Orange Bowl v VT

Orange didn't want Cincy again obviously , Orange also said expecting Boise to come that distance and still bring alot of people wasn't realistic a few weeks back . PLUS , Iowa hold the Orange Bowl record for bringing something like 50,000 fans .

Fiesta bowl didn't want to touch Cincy (same problem as before) and have a history with Boise so it was a safer bet in terms of fans showing up

Sugar left with Cincy

[kmanharris]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the match-ups? It sure seems like it. After years, and years (and yes, years) of watching this go down. Was it really any surprise that it was going to be Bama/Texas? Or better yet, that Cincy/Boise/TCU was going to get shut out? You all knew it was coming, cry foul all you want but you'll NEVER see a NON-BCS school, compete for a BCS Championship.

And then lets move on to Cincy, if they had blown out Pittsburgh, then yes, they would have claim to the title game. Yet they struggled against an average opponent and wound up on top, all because of a botched XP on Pittsburgh's side. Too bad, so sad Bearcats. So they get rewarded with Tesus and the Gators. Good luck winning that one.

Putting Boise against TCU? Again, what hurts the BCS credibility more, four undefeated teams, or two? We're used to having two undefeated teams at the end of the year. Having four would mean the BCS would almost have to go and implement a playoff system. The fallout of having four teams claim a championship would be too much for the BCS to withstand.

Oh, Texas? Yes they struggled against an average opponent as well. And thank god for them that McCoy didn't put any more loft on that ball. Either way you slice it, the #3 team is not going to get leapfrogged by the #4 team (who was idle mind you). When the #2 team wins against the #1, it's not going to happen.

Boise should be crying more about the fact that they were behind Florida at the end of it all, Florida should not be rewarded a #5, when an undefeated sits right behind them. That's about all I can disagree with, right there.

Pitt was ranked #15 according to the BCS, how is that an average opponent. Not to mention they came back from 21 down to do it. (In before they shouldn't have been down 21). The main point is Pitt isn't an "average" team. Cincinatti beat 3 teams when they were ranked ( Pitt at 15, WV at 25, and USF at 21) They also beat Oregon state who ended the season ranked #18. A pretty strong resume imo.

They should have at least jumped TCU but that doesn't really matter.

If Cincy began the season ranked in the top 10, and the season played out the way it did, are they the ones playing for a National Championship?

[Dez]

sad the Bearcats have no fans. Even if people jumped on the bandwagon, there still would be a lack of red and black in the stands.

[Senser81]

Fiesta took TCU because Cincys fans put on a bad showing at the 2009 Orange Bowl v VT

Orange didn't want Cincy again obviously , Orange also said expecting Boise to come that distance and still bring alot of people wasn't realistic a few weeks back . PLUS , Iowa hold the Orange Bowl record for bringing something like 50,000 fans .

Fiesta bowl didn't want to touch Cincy (same problem as before) and have a history with Boise so it was a safer bet in terms of fans showing up

Sugar left with Cincy

Yeah, it makes sense from a "tickets" standpoint, I guess, but it doesn't make sense from a record/fairness aspect. Kinda like how the Gator Bowl took FSU or how VT got the #2 ACC slot over Clemson.

[Archer]

Pitt was ranked #15 according to the BCS, how is that an average opponent. Not to mention they came back from 21 down to do it. (In before they shouldn't have been down 21). The main point is Pitt isn't an "average" team. Cincinatti beat 3 teams when they were ranked ( Pitt at 15, WV at 25, and USF at 21) They also beat Oregon state who ended the season ranked #18. A pretty strong resume imo.

They should have at least jumped TCU but that doesn't really matter.

If Cincy began the season ranked in the top 10, and the season played out the way it did, are they the ones playing for a National Championship?

They did jump TCU .

The problem most people seem to have with Cincy is , two of the main wins they have were v BE opponents . A conference nobody seems to give any respect to and then the other was v South Florida , a team that ALWAYS falls off towards the end of the season .

[kmanharris]

They did jump TCU .

The problem most people seem to have with Cincy is , two of the main wins they have were v BE opponents . A conference nobody seems to give any respect to and then the other was v South Florida , a team that ALWAYS falls off towards the end of the season .

Oh, I didn't see the new BCS rankings, only the AP i think.

[Vinsane]

If Cincy began the season ranked in the top 10, and the season played out the way it did, are they the ones playing for a National Championship?

No, because two teams that would of ranked in front of them, Texas and Alabama finished undefeated as well.

[Sportsbuck]

Just to add on to Archer's point, Cincy gave away a ton of tickets for free last year and a lot of those people didn't even go.

[kmanharris]

No, because two teams that would of ranked in front of them, Texas and Alabama finished undefeated as well.

TCU and Boise State both started in front of them and finished undefeated as well. Cincy's body of work> Texas' imo.

I just think if Cincy started in the top 10 they would have leap frogged Texas (or should have) by the end of the season.