Is Kurt Warner a HOF'er?

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Warner has had 6 great seasons.
6 shit fest/nowhere to be found seasons.

His great seasons and whats hes done on 2 different teams is remarkable. His playoff performances are easily HOF worthy.

I thought before the playoffs last year he'd need SB win for hof status. He played admirably enough that he still elevated himself significantly.

Hes unquestionably NOT a first ballot HOFer. If you think he deserves it the same as Manning , Brady , Favre and other in his era you sadly mistaken. You cant disappear for 5 years and think you can wedge yourself into first ballot bid without winning another ring.

Hes got amazing credentials and would not be against or surpised in the least if he ends up in the HOF one day. But unless he wins another ring dont mention first ballott.

[Nukleopatra]

first ballott.

He's easily first ballot.

[elbingz]

Warner's definitely a HOF'er. I always hated him, but you can't hate on his ability. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get in the first time around. Warren Moon got in first ballot didn't he?

[Nukleopatra]

Warner's definitely a HOF'er. I always hated him, but you can't hate on his ability. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get in the first time around. Warren Moon got in first ballot didn't he?

I'd thank you 100 times if I could.

Great example.

[FirstTimer]

Warner has had 6 great seasons.
6 shit fest/nowhere to be found seasons.

I count 5 tops.

1999, 2001, 2007, 2008, 2009. Of those 2007 is on the borderline but I will give it to you just for the sake of it. He was 5-6 that year with a QB rating below 90. Tough for me to call it "great"....

[killgod]

fuck MaddenMania for closing it's doors.

I want my mega post on Warner's ability to shred 25th or worse ranked pass defences.


like fuckin hell i'm doin all that research again.


Warner impresses me with what he does sometimes, but it's the fucking NFC west for fuck's sake.

[FirstTimer]

Warner's definitely a HOF'er. I always hated him, but you can't hate on his ability. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get in the first time around. Warren Moon got in first ballot didn't he?

EDIT* Nevermind*

Even so Moon played in the NFL for 17 years tough to compare him with Warner's 5 very good/ great seasons.

[Nukleopatra]

I count 5 tops.

1999, 2001, 2007, 2008, 2009. Of those 2007 is on the borderline but I will give it to you just for the sake of it. He was 5-6 that year with a QB rating below 90. Tough for me to call it "great"....

Warren Moon finished his entire career with an 80 QB rating. He also had 101 career losses, 7 postseason losses, a career completion % under 60, and he's black. He only had two seasons with a QB rating in the 90s.

Oh, and he's black.

[elbingz]

EDIT* Nevermind*

Even so Moon played in the NFL for 17 years tough to compare him with Warner's 5 very good/ great seasons.

CFL stats count for the NFL? No.

[FirstTimer]

Warren Moon finished his entire career with an 80 QB rating. He also had 101 career losses, 7 postseason losses, a career completion % under 60, and he's black. He only had two seasons with a QB rating in the 90s.

Warner also has played in a much more QB friendly era even in comparison to Moon in the 80's and early 90's.

[Nukleopatra]

Warner also has played in a much more QB friendly era even in comparison to Moon in the 80's and early 90's.

Lmao @ making excuses for one of the most overrated players in NFL history.

Yes, this argument is now officially over.

Thanks.

[FirstTimer]

CFL stats count for the NFL? No.

It's not called the NFL HOF, it's the Pro Football Hall of Fame. CFL is Pro football right? That's where the confusion was. I edited my post, plus his HOF resume directly mentions his time in the CFL. Plus I thought at the time it was though a lot of voters took his CFL exploits into account.

[Nukleopatra]

80.9 QB rating.
58% completion %.
101 Career losses.
African American.

Two seasons with a QB rating in the 90s.

L M A O.

[FirstTimer]

Lmao @ making excuses for one of the most overrated players in NFL history.

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Making excuses for him? I never even said I'd put Moon in the HOF on the first ballot or any ballot for that matter I was just pointing out you can't directly compare stats without taking into account era, rules, etc. STFU. Honestly. I'm not even against Warner being in the HOF.

As usual in a thread about him you're just being a faggot on purpose.

[FirstTimer]

CFL stats count for the NFL? No.

There are no Super Bowls on Warren Moon's resume. Only championships.


Sure, they came in the CFL, five of them in his six seasons up north. But Moon on Saturday will enter the Pro Football Hall of Fame, where achievements anywhere in the pros are recognized.


Not that Moon was a slacker in the NFL, mind you. He was so good with the Oilers, Vikings, Seahawks and Chiefs in 17 seasons and 208 games that Moon ranked third in passing attempts, completions, yardage and total offense when he retired after the 2001 season. He was fourth with 291 touchdown passes. In all, he had 60,553 yards through the air.


Still, the foundation of a career that led to first-year election into the Canton shrine -- Moon is the first black quarterback to make the Hall of Fame -- came with the Edmonton Eskimos.


"I think they definitely played a part because it showed that I did have championship abilities in me," Moon said. "I think the consistency that I had in the NFL as far as being able to get to the playoffs so many times in a row showed consistency that I could win.




"Now the championship, yeah that takes you to the next level. Sometimes guys get a championship and they're considered maybe a little bit better than what they are. I think the consistency and production are just as important. But no question about it, championships are what you play the game for. I definitely played it for that."


Moon never really came close to an NFL title, while each of the other five inductees this weekend -- Reggie White, Troy Aikman, Rayfield Wright, Harry Carson and John Madden -- won at least one Super Bowl. Moon's overall numbers, however, have Hall of Fame written everywhere.


Does that make up for no rings?


"I don't think it will ever take the place of not winning a Super Bowl," he said. "It's a team game and it's a team award winning a championship; the Hall of Fame to me is more of an individual award within a team game. I think the two are very different. This validated me as an individual player. ... Not having that championship ring will be something I always wished I had, only because that's the main reason you play this game."


Moon takes special pride in being the first black quarterback in the Hall. He anticipates many more will follow.


"Now I'm the first to get to the Hall of Fame, which is considered the pinnacle," he said. "We've kind of done it at every particular level, and nothing can be said about the African-American quarterback and whether he belongs in the National Football League and whether he belongs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame."


In college, Moon led Washington to a 27-20 win over Michigan in the 1978 Rose Bowl. But the Huskies ran a wide-open, rollout offense that many NFL coaches and scouts believed did not translate to the pros. Plus, in '78, the path to the pros was filled with obstacles for black quarterbacks.


So Moon, who made it clear he wanted to remain a quarterback, wasn't drafted. He had no choice but to head to Canada, where he became a dominant QB -- and a champion.


"I thought I had done enough in my college career to at least warrant getting drafted at a pretty good position in the draft," Moon recalled without a trace of bitterness. "Because there was so much opposition as far as me playing another position and possibly not getting drafted ... that's one of the reasons I chose the Canadian Football League, because they were giving me an opportunity to play quarterback and giving me an opportunity to play early."


By 1984, they couldn't keep Moon out of the NFL. The Oilers signed him and began building the run-and-shoot attack around a mobile, strong-armed and experienced player.


While Moon didn't perceive himself as a trailblazer, others certainly did. Moon, Doug Williams and Randall Cunningham became the torch bearers for the black quarterback.


There have been dozens of blacks at the position in the NFL, and any notion that a minority player couldn't handle the position has long since been proved ridiculous.


"I have known Warren for many years and realize the many obstacles he had to overcome throughout his life in pursuit of playing quarterback," Ravens QB Steve McNair said. "I very much appreciate the trail that Warren paved for me.


"Growing up wanting to play quarterback, he was an inspiration to me and my brothers. Minority quarterbacks were few and far between, but Warren's play ensured that those coming behind him wouldn't have to change positions to find a place in the NFL."


Moon did have to go elsewhere to prove himself. He did such a good job that he's now headed to Canton.


"This just makes me feel like I worked hard to get to where I am right now," he said. "I took a very unconventional route to get to the National Football League first, and re-establish myself and have a pretty productive career.


"The way I did it was a little bit different because of the other things I had to overcome that didn't have anything to do with football."

From ESPN about his enshrinement.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/halloffame06/news/story?id=2537462

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