Is Kurt Warner a HOF'er?

[Nukleopatra]

Lol @ this motherfucker actually finding an article about the most overrated QB in NFL history.

You honestly think I'm going to waste my time reading that shit? Especially an ESPN article, the most overrated network on Television? Did they hype his 58% career completion %?

Fucking idiot.

[killgod]

all this talk about QB ratings you'd think it was a stat worth paying attention to

[FirstTimer]

As usual in a thread about him you're just being a faggot on purpose.

Lol @ this motherfucker actually finding an article about the most overrated QB in NFL history.

You honestly think I'm going to waste my time reading that shit? Especially an ESPN article, the most overrated network on Television? Did they hype his 58% career completion %?

Fucking idiot.

Case and point...

[Nukleopatra]

all this talk about QB ratings you'd think it was a stat worth paying attention to

Personally, I find his triple digit losses, and his under 60% completion %, and his 3 postseason victories in 15 seasons, far more interesting.

If Drew Brees plays his cards right, he may surpass the great Warren Moon in postseason wins.

[Nukleopatra]

LIKE I SAID Warner is a HOF. Jim Kelly went to the SUPER BOWL 4 TIMES AND LOST. Dan Fouts, and granted Marino is beast because of his stats. Warner has 1 SB ring, and his clutch his stats in the playoffs are out of this world especially this year. He is a HOF. End of story.

Another great example.

[adembroski]

I'm just wondering where Adem got those two extra playoff victories from.

Jay Cutler has never been.
Crapson Palmer has none.
Drew Brees has 1 playoff win in 8 seasons.

How does that equal three?

I misread the source I was looking at. It wasn't wins/losses, it was games/starts... so it said 3-3. I was throwing together statistics so I didn't really stop to think about it.

[FirstTimer]

LIKE I SAID Warner is a HOF. Jim Kelly went to the SUPER BOWL 4 TIMES AND LOST. Dan Fouts, and granted Marino is beast because of his stats, but all those guys are in the HOF. Warner has 1 SB ring, and his clutch his stats in the playoffs are out of this world especially this year. He is a HOF. End of story.

I never said he wasn't...............

I said his case is interesting.

[stevsta]

Rightttttttt....

palmer
Brees
Cutler

are all better then Warner.

U disagree? prove it.

are you really a rams fan i r dissapointed

[elbingz]

CFL accomplishments don't get you in the HOF and they don't help or hurt you from getting in. Plus, I'm pretty sure there are no mention of Moon's CFL stats in the HOF.

[Warner2BruceTD]

fuck MaddenMania for closing it's doors.

I want my mega post on Warner's ability to shred 25th or worse ranked pass defences.


like fuckin hell i'm doin all that research again.


Warner impresses me with what he does sometimes, but it's the fucking NFC west for fuck's sake.

This argument is stupid. All good QB's "shred" bad defenses.

Besides, even if we play along with this dumb angle, it's only 6 games out of 16 vs the NFC West "for fucks sake", and it's not as if the rest of the teams have always been bad:

2000(Rams) - Saints won the division
2002(Rams) - 49ers won the division
2005-2007(Cards) - Seahawks were consistantly a playoff team, Rams were mediocre from 2005-2006.

For most of Warner's years in the NFC West, he was playing against at least one other playoff team.

But the main reason that argument is baseless, is Warner's performance in the postseason, against the very best competition. You can't tell me he's a guy who feasts on bad teams when he dominates the playoffs the way he does, and has the three most prolific passing days in SB history (in three tries) -- vs. three very good defenses.

It's a total non point.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Hes got amazing credentials and would not be against or surpised in the least if he ends up in the HOF one day. But unless he wins another ring dont mention first ballott.

This is the problem with HOF voting, in all sports.

WTF is a "first ballot" HOF'er? You're either a HOF'er, or you're not. The writers get off on making silly statements against guys by not voting for them the first time, and then voting for them later. It's stupid.

[Liquidrob]

He is a Hall of Fame QB

I think everyone goes nuts with giving QBs all the wins, losses and 'rings', but he did his part and was/is a great NFL QB

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I'm going to preface this by saying I think Warner is HOF worthy. First ballot or has to wait, it doesn't matter, he'll get in someday.

Personally, I find his triple digit losses, and his under 60% completion %, and his 3 postseason victories in 15 seasons, far more interesting.

If Drew Brees plays his cards right, he may surpass the great Warren Moon in postseason wins.

Wins are a team stat, and maybe a coach stat. The fact you constantly reference QB's win stats is far more overrated than anybody referencing Moon, ESPN, or whatever else that you think is overrated.

Moon played in a much harder rules regulated era, and had far less talent around him for support (excluding Carter whom he played with for just 3 seasons). Also consider the high number of passes Moon had in systems that weren't nearly as innovative and advanced as Warner has played in. It's not shocking that Moon had a lower comp% and rating.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I dont know where you guys are getting this idea that Warner has only had 5 good seasons.

He's had 5 DOMINANT seasons (99-01, 08-09), and two years where he was very good when he had a chance to play (05 & 07). He was mediocre in '04 with the Giants. He was injured/concussed/punch drunk in '02, '03, '06. Those are the only three seasons where he really fell off the map. Alot of great players have gotten hurt.

[elbingz]

This argument is stupid. All good QB's "shred" bad defenses.

Besides, even if we play along with this dumb angle, it's only 6 games out of 16 vs the NFC West "for fucks sake", and it's not as if the rest of the teams have always been bad:

2000(Rams) - Saints won the division
2002(Rams) - 49ers won the division
2005-2007(Cards) - Seahawks were consistantly a playoff team, Rams were mediocre from 2005-2006.

For most of Warner's years in the NFC West, he was playing against at least one other playoff team.

But the main reason that argument is baseless, is Warner's performance in the postseason, against the very best competition. You can't tell me he's a guy who feasts on bad teams when he dominates the playoffs the way he does, and has the three most prolific passing days in SB history (in three tries) -- vs. three very good defenses.

It's a total non point.

hahaha...years later and i'm agreeing with Bulger2Holt. I'm with you man. I hated Warner, and called him the new Scott Mitchell, but he turned his career back around and plays at a high level still. He's a definite HOF'er. That whole "NFC West" thing is ignorant too.