2004 USC > 2001 Miami according to Pat Forde.

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  • Woy
    RIP West
    • Dec 2008
    • 16372

    #61
    Originally posted by BUCK3YE5
    I think 05 USC > 08 UF > 04 USC
    05 USC over 04 USC?

    Amazing offense/mediocre defense or damn good offense/great defense?

    Seems like a no-brainer to me.



    ^ Shouts to MvP for the sick sig. GFX TEAM BACK

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    • BUCK3YE5
      CP 2K12
      • Aug 2009
      • 1410

      #62
      USC had an offensive juggernaut in 05 and their D was fine...until VY. Forget the NCG's, and 05 USC is much more dominant. Oklahoma was a joke...

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      • NAHSTE
        Probably owns the site
        • Feb 2009
        • 22233

        #63
        Originally posted by Tailback U
        I'd reason that it is because USC '05 only lost to Vince Young, and Florida lost to Ole Miss.

        They blew everyone else out of the water.

        If not for Vince Young, who is arguably the greatest college football player of all time, USC would have won 3 straight national championships with 2 heisman trophy winners in one backfield and one of the best offenses that has ever played.

        The defense was obviously weak, but again, the only team that beat USC that year was Texas and it was solely because of Vince Young.

        Florida lost to Ole Miss. That alone is enough reason to drop them below USC '05.

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        • Tailback U
          No substitute 4 strength.
          • Nov 2008
          • 10282

          #64
          Originally posted by NAHSTE13
          I was waiting for you to notice that.

          Don't get mad at me, get mad at the AP.

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          • KNUBB
            WHITE RONDO
            • Jun 2009
            • 7973

            #65
            Originally posted by Tailback U
            I was waiting for you to notice that.

            Don't get mad at me, get mad at the AP.
            That is why the AP no longer matters when it comes to deciding a National Champion. They just make a list to feel good about themselves


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            • NAHSTE
              Probably owns the site
              • Feb 2009
              • 22233

              #66
              Originally posted by Tailback U
              I was waiting for you to notice that.

              Don't get mad at me, get mad at the AP.
              Why would I be mad at an independent organization who has no say in who wins the BCS championship? I'm more concerned with delusional SC fans who think a Rose Bowl title and a 3rd party poll make them a national champion.

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              • KNUBB
                WHITE RONDO
                • Jun 2009
                • 7973

                #67
                Originally posted by NAHSTE13
                Why would I be mad at an independent organization who has no say in who wins the BCS championship? I'm more concerned with delusional SC fans who think a Rose Bowl title and a 3rd party poll make them a national champion.
                Hey Let's make a poll and make LSU champs every year. It shouldn't take long to equal the "13" championships Bama claims to have


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                • Tailback U
                  No substitute 4 strength.
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 10282

                  #68
                  Originally posted by NAHSTE13
                  Why would I be mad at an independent organization who has no say in who wins the BCS championship? I'm more concerned with delusional SC fans who think a Rose Bowl title and a 3rd party poll make them a national champion.
                  Well have fun being concerned for the rest of your life then.

                  USC would have crushed that Oklahoma team that LSU beat and I have little doubt in my mind that USC would have beaten LSU that year as well. Obviously we'll never know, but the AP recognized USC as the national champions so I have enough to do the same.

                  lol @ you acting like the BCS is more credible than the AP. BCS is just as much, if not more, of a sham. LSU didn't play or beat the best team in the country that year, period. I am upset that USC didn't get to play LSU, but the AP did what they could to make sure everyone knew that the BSC got the NC game wrong - which they did.

                  This is a dumb conversation, though. I know you're going to come back with the "BCS recognized LSU as the national champions" argument that we've all heard and been through 1,000 times so save your and my time and just back out of this thread so we don't have to get into this useless discussion.
                  Last edited by Tailback U; 01-29-2010, 05:14 PM.

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                  • KNUBB
                    WHITE RONDO
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 7973

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Tailback U
                    Well have fun being concerned for the rest of your life then.

                    USC would have crushed that Oklahoma team that LSU beat and I have little doubt in my mind that USC would have beaten LSU that year as well. Obviously we'll never know, but the AP recognized USC as the national champions so I have enough to do the same.

                    lol @ you acting like the BCS is more credible than the AP. BCS is just as much, if not more, of a sham. LSU didn't play or beat the best team in the country that year, period. I am upset that USC didn't get to play LSU, but the AP did what they could to make sure everyone knew that the BSC got the NC game wrong - which they did.

                    This is a dumb conversation, though. I know you're going to come back with the "BCS recognized LSU as the national champions" argument that we've all heard and been through 1,000 times so save your and my time and just back out of this thread so we don't have to get into this useless discussion.
                    If the AP was "correct" then it would have some affiliation with the group that the NCAA recognizes as their National Champion. Since they don't then they literally have no credibility when it comes to naming a National Champion


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                    • Tailback U
                      No substitute 4 strength.
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 10282

                      #70
                      Originally posted by KNUBB
                      If the AP was "correct" then it would have some affiliation with the group that the NCAA recognizes as their National Champion. Since they don't then they literally have no credibility when it comes to naming a National Champion
                      I don't care who the NCAA recognizes, I care about who the AP recognizes.

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                      • Sportsbuck
                        Buckeye For Life
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 3045

                        #71
                        Originally posted by KNUBB
                        If the AP was "correct" then it would have some affiliation with the group that the NCAA recognizes as their National Champion. Since they don't then they literally have no credibility when it comes to naming a National Champion
                        The NCAA doesn't recognize a national champion in FBS football. I support LSU as being the national champ in 2003, but at the time the AP poll was a component of the BCS rankings.

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                        • Tailback U
                          No substitute 4 strength.
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 10282

                          #72
                          I think the entire BCS rankings are bullshit. I think anything based on computer rankings is bullshit.

                          Honestly, I've grown so tired of the BCS that I don't watch nearly as much college football as I used to.

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                          • NAHSTE
                            Probably owns the site
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 22233

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Tailback U
                            Well have fun being concerned for the rest of your life then.

                            USC would have crushed that Oklahoma team that LSU beat and I have little doubt in my mind that USC would have beaten LSU that year as well. Obviously we'll never know, but the AP recognized USC as the national champions so I have enough to do the same.

                            lol @ you acting like the BCS is more credible than the AP. BCS is just as much, if not more, of a sham. LSU didn't play or beat the best team in the country that year, period. I am upset that USC didn't get to play LSU, but the AP did what they could to make sure everyone knew that the BSC got the NC game wrong - which they did.

                            This is a dumb conversation, though. I know you're going to come back with the "BCS recognized LSU as the national champions" argument that we've all heard and been through 1,000 times so save your and my time and just back out of this thread so we don't have to get into this useless discussion.
                            Ok, then don't claim the 04 BCS Title for USC then, simple as that, because I can say everything about 04 Auburn that you said about 03 USC. I'm upset they didn't get to play either, but you can't agree with the system one year and not agree with it when it doesn't benefit you.
                            Last edited by NAHSTE; 01-29-2010, 05:47 PM.

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                            • KNUBB
                              WHITE RONDO
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 7973

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Tailback U
                              I don't care who the NCAA recognizes, I care about who the AP recognizes.
                              AND here is an example of the word delusional


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                              • Sportsbuck
                                Buckeye For Life
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 3045

                                #75
                                Originally posted by The Edge
                                Call was for Pass Interference and not defensive holding. even at that it was not in any way effective to the play. Plus it was more a bump and there was a 5 yard cushion for contact at that time in NCAA football.
                                He held Gamble's left shoulder (you can see Gamble's jersey being tugged around his left shoulder) when Gamble drove for Sharpe's outside shoulder on his route, and thats what Porter saw to make the call. He originally made it for holding and then changed it to pass interference, for reasons unclear, but regardless it would be a first down for the Buckeyes.
                                Not a Miami fan. Not complaining so much as just flat out saying they got this wrong. Also if you notice in the aforementioned facemasking, it occured after the ball was passed the receiver and also, facemasking was also the wrong call. It would have been illegal hands to the face, had the player been in the play but the ball was passed the receiver and in an uncatchable position when said "facemasking"(that was actually illegal hands to the face if occured in the play and not after the ball had passed) was called.


                                It doesn't matter if the ball has passed the reciever, its a facemask regardless because the play is live and the ball is still in play. It's either 5 yards for incidental facemask or 15 for a personal foul because at the time that discretion was still up the official, but regardless its an Ohio State first down. By your logic, if the ball flew over the head of Andre Johnson when he was running over the middle, Mike Doss could've pulled Johnson down by his facemask with no penalty.
                                What sources do you get your information? I have absolutely never heard this called a good play unless it was from a buckeye fan.......oh wait looking at your sig, explains the entirety of the post.
                                Call was validated by the National Association for Sports Officials, and referee magazine ranked it as "One of the 18 best calls of all-time". The NCAA, Big 12 agree, as do numerous publications around the country that confirmed it as the right call. Dennis Dodd raged on about how bad of a call it was a week after the Fiesta Bowl.. 6 months later he changed his opinion and thought it was the right call.

                                In this thread alone, Hova (Georgia fan), Nahste (LSU fan), Firsttimer (Notre Dame fan), agree with me. I'd say that shoots a hole right through the logic of why I feel this way.
                                Last edited by Sportsbuck; 01-29-2010, 07:06 PM.

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