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[MrBill]

He wasn't gonna get 15, would've been between 5 and 10. I know he's hurting but you can't just throw a pass like that with the game on the line.

That is pure speculation. He might not have gotten anymore than 2 or 3 once he pulled the ball down and ran. It would have been better for the coaches to just run a pitch to Chester Taylor out of a pass formation on that play. He would have had a lot better chance to gain a few yards against a defense that was clearly expecting a 10-15 yard pass after the penalty.

[mgoblue2290]

That is pure speculation. He might not have gotten anymore than 2 or 3 once he pulled the ball down and ran. It would have been better for the coaches to just run a pitch to Chester Taylor on that play. He would have had a lot better chance to gain a few yards against a defense that was clearly expecting a 10-15 yard pass after the penalty.

He could've tripped and probably got 2-3 yards, I think he definitely could've gotten 5. Your right, it is pure speculation but it doesn't change the fact that he should've ran.

[citizenerased]

He could've tripped and probably got 2-3 yards, I think he definitely could've gotten 5. Your right, it is pure speculation but it doesn't change the fact that he should've ran.

On the roll out he was what... 5 or 6 yards behind the LOS after the roll out? - he runs it, best case scenario he gets back to where they started and it's still a 57 yard field goal? He should've just thrown it away.

The whole thing was a clusterfuck. Bad play call, bad execution, bad throw by Farve. He made a mistake, but he's just the first in a long line of people who need a clip around the ear for that whole debacle.

I'm just laughing at the bitter Packer fans, especially when you consider the chosen one fumbled the ball in overtime and couldn't even get past the wildcard round.

[Realist]

Favre could barely walk after the submarine shot at his legs, he said after the game that he really thought his ankle was broken. I'm still trying to figure out why Childress went into ultra conservative mode on the edge of FG range when the Vikings offense was moving the ball at will with the spread formation or floating screens. Two obvious runs into the middle, the stupid 12th man penalty and then calling a rollout play for your gimped up QB to run 15-20 yards. Pure genius. Favre threw a stupid pick but his coaches let the team down in the last minute of regulation.

Have several 250 pound men run full speed into your ankle multiple times and see how far you can run.



Yeah... there's a bit of a difference between a roll out and trying to rush for 15 yards.

Who said anything about 15 yards?? Really stop making excuses. I said he could have ran for an addition 5-10 when he could have because there was no one in front of him. Bad leg or not, he was moving pretty good on that roll out. Hell 2-3 yards is better than an int. It was a 56 yarder. Not a chip shot but not impossible. Although a 50-53 yarder would have been a little more easier. at least give you team A CHANCE. He made the one play that no QB should ever make and that's throwing across your body, yet you want to make excuses for him. If all else fails throw the ball away, slide, do whatever you have to do, but give you team that final chance.

That is pure speculation. He might not have gotten anymore than 2 or 3 once he pulled the ball down and ran. It would have been better for the coaches to just run a pitch to Chester Taylor out of a pass formation on that play. He would have had a lot better chance to gain a few yards against a defense that was clearly expecting a 10-15 yard pass after the penalty.

I love the way you are blaming Childress. Had he taken Farve out the game when he could at least move around, you would be saying he made a mistake. Had they run the ball and got nothing, you would have been saying put the ball in Farve's hands. What it boils down to is that Farve tried to make a play and didn't. Really no one to blame on that particular play but him, but he is far for the reason the Vikes lost.

[Vinsane]

I love the way you are blaming Childress. Had he taken Farve out the game when he could at least move around, you would be saying he made a mistake. Had they run the ball and got nothing, you would have been saying put the ball in Farve's hands. What it boils down to is that Farve tried to make a play and didn't. Really no one to blame on that particular play but him, but he is far for the reason the Vikes lost.

On the play no you can't place blame on anyone but Favre, he forced it and it was intercepted. End of story. My beef with the whole situation was the 40 seconds that just ran off the clock when the Vikings called a pitch that got them back to the LOS. What the hell?

It was crunch time and the Vikings had the ball and instead of being aggressive and getting a better chance at a FG they sat on the ball and put Favre and the offense in a bad situation. Childress' play calling in that final 4 minutes was horrid, and the last two minutes was unbearable. I don't care if you're in the opponents territory, you keep getting closer increasing your chances for a win.

Vikings as a whole let that game get away from them. You can say what you want about the officiating, it's bad. Say what you will about Favre making mistakes but a loss isn't on one guy, it's the whole team for not executing.

[MrBill]

On the play no you can't place blame on anyone but Favre, he forced it and it was intercepted. End of story. My beef with the whole situation was the 40 seconds that just ran off the clock when the Vikings called a pitch that got them back to the LOS. What the hell?

It was crunch time and the Vikings had the ball and instead of being aggressive and getting a better chance at a FG they sat on the ball and put Favre and the offense in a bad situation. Childress' play calling in that final 4 minutes was horrid, and the last two minutes was unbearable. I don't care if you're in the opponents territory, you keep getting closer increasing your chances for a win.

Vikings as a whole let that game get away from them. You can say what you want about the officiating, it's bad. Say what you will about Favre making mistakes but a loss isn't on one guy, it's the whole team for not executing.

Agreed. That last play was all on Favre but since the Vikings were moving the ball so well down the field, why were they content to get into an obvious run formation on 1st and 2nd down and run into the teeth of the Saints defense? Rather than stay in the spread and either try another quick pass or screen to get some more yards, they were playing to kick a 50 yard FG when they still had 2 timeouts and a first down at the 33 yard line. Pure stupidity.

[ralaw]

On the last drive it appeared Childress was trying to run the clock down and isn't that the norm? I don't think the idea is to score and leave time on the clock for the Saints. Also, if Favre's ankle was so messed up then why when a rollout play was called did he not tell the coaches that his ankle was tore up? I'll tell you why, because it wasn't...Favre simply made a bad decision end of story.

The real problem however was the 12 men in the huddle penalty, because that knocked them out of position to kick a field goal and led to Favre throwing the interception. Either way though all of the mess and how sloppy the team played they were in position to make a single play to get into field goal position and Favre threw the interception. It was a poor decision that Favre typically seems to make, but taking risk is what Favre is, so you have to take the good with the bad even if it means you’re going home early.

[MrBill]

On the last drive it appeared Childress was trying to run the clock down and isn't that the norm? I don't think the idea is to score and leave time on the clock for the Saints. Also, if Favre's ankle was so messed up then why when a rollout play was called did he not tell the coaches that his ankle was tore up? I'll tell you why, because it wasn't...Favre simply made a bad decision end of story.

The Saints only had 1 timeout once the Vikings were on the edge of FG range so it would have only taken 1 running play out of the 3 plays they ran to exhaust the Saints ability to stop the clock. Why be content to kick a 50 yard FG that is no "gimme" when your offense was getting 10-15 yards every play with the spread formation?

I'm not sure why you would think that Favre had to remind the coaches that his ankle was messed up. He took a wicked cheap shot from McCray and had to be helped off of the field and initially said that he thought his ankle was broken. They spent 10 minutes taping him up on the trainers table and he still was noticeably hobbling around. That doesn't excuse the stupid throw on 3rd down but why did they have him rolling out in the first place?

[ralaw]

The Saints only had 1 timeout once the Vikings were on the edge of FG range so it would have only taken 1 running play out of the 3 plays they ran to exhaust the Saints ability to stop the clock. Why be content to kick a 50 yard FG that is no "gimme" when your offense was getting 10-15 yards every play with the spread formation?

They didn’t want the Saints’ offense to get back on the field? Before the 12 men in the huddle penalty they were in field goal range and since they have a reliable kicker it made sense to let the clock run down a bit.

I'm not sure why you would think that Favre had to remind the coaches that his ankle was messed up. He took a wicked cheap shot from McCray and had to be helped off of the field and initially said that he thought his ankle was broken. They spent 10 minutes taping him up on the trainers table and he still was noticeably hobbling around. That doesn't excuse the stupid throw on 3rd down but why did they have him rolling out in the first place?

It was a bad coaching decision, but Favre also owes it to the coaches to tell them if he can’t do something. Having said that though it didn’t seem Favre was limping when he threw the interception. His ankle was obviously good enough to rollout, get in a space, plant and throw the ball, so I can only assume that his ankle wasn't an issue for him.

[Senser81]

They didn’t want the Saints’ offense to get back on the field? Before the 12 men in the huddle penalty they were in field goal range and since they have a reliable kicker it made sense to let the clock run down a bit.

IIRC, before the penalty the Vikings were still looking at a 51 or 52 yard FG attempt. Makeable, but IMO it made no sense for the Vikings to go into a 'stall offense' at that point. I think there was like 1:40 left when the Vikings got to the Saint 35.

It was a bad coaching decision, but Favre also owes it to the coaches to tell them if he can’t do something. Having said that though it didn’t seem Favre was limping when he threw the interception. His ankle was obviously good enough to rollout, get in a space, plant and throw the ball, so I can only assume that his ankle wasn't an issue for him.

Favre could do it, but it was still a bad call because a rollout is a play the Vikings have rarely used with Favre, if ever. Even with a good ankle, Favre isn't a threat to run. And do you really want Favre making a throw on the run with the game on the line? Because thats essentially what the Vikings were asking him to do. If they didn't want Favre to throw on the run at all, then why not just hand the ball off to Peterson then kick the FG?

[Bear Pand]

Yeah why didn't Favre audible off the playcall or protest it? I thought overruling Childress' calls was his favorite thing to do.

It's not really surprising that at the most important time in their season the Vikings came out with a questionable playcall and Favre compounds that problem by making a huge mistake. It's not the first time we've seen either of those things happen.

[Senser81]

Yeah why didn't Favre audible off the playcall or protest it? I thought overruling Childress' calls was his favorite thing to do.

I agree, and its just speculation on my part, but I think Favre was playing it safe. I think if Favre had audibled to a different play and then gotten intercepted, the negative reaction would have been perhaps worse. Favre can now say that he was following coaches orders, FWIW (which is very little).

[ralaw]

IIRC, before the penalty the Vikings were still looking at a 51 or 52 yard FG attempt. Makeable, but IMO it made no sense for the Vikings to go into a 'stall offense' at that point. I think there was like 1:40 left when the Vikings got to the Saint 35.

Yeah, they were playing it safe, trying to stall. After Taylor’s run they basically got conservative and coupled with the penalty it basically killed them. It really didn’t want to leave too much time for the Saints offense, because they were content with the field goal.

Favre could do it, but it was still a bad call because a rollout is a play the Vikings have rarely used with Favre, if ever. Even with a good ankle, Favre isn't a threat to run. And do you really want Favre making a throw on the run with the game on the line? Because thats essentially what the Vikings were asking him to do. If they didn't want Favre to throw on the run at all, then why not just hand the ball off to Peterson then kick the FG?

Yeah, good point on rarely using Favre on a rollout. The rollout was a horrible call. I’m not sure why they’d make a call like that, but I guess they felt they could trust Favre enough. It seemed the coaches were thinking too much and tried to “surprise” the Saints by rolling Favre out. I’m not going to pretend to know what Favre was supposed to do, but I certainly know they didn’t expect him to throw the ball across the field. Either way Childress should certainly take more heat for how sloppy the team looked throughout the game.

[Vinsane]

The fallout of the NFC Title Game is yet to come, should the Saints win? Take that phantom PI call and blow it up ten fold.

[MrBill]

The fallout of the NFC Title Game is yet to come, should the Saints win? Take that phantom PI call and blow it up ten fold.

The fact that the official closest to the play signaled incomplete pass while the official 20 yards away threw a flag was even more of a head scratcher. There was absolutely 0 contact by the defender and the ball was thrown so far down the field it isn't even in the frame.

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