Randy Moss retires.

[manchild24]

I dont think he is retiring, I think he's trying to get his name out there, trying to make some news.

What happened to all his Segal described Moss as being in "freakish shape" after "working out, two-a-days, all spring and summer in West Virginia."

"He is determined, motivated and quite frankly has a huge chip on his shoulder. Whatever team ends up getting Randy, they're going to know they're getting the old Randy Moss," Segal told NFL.com in mid-July. "He's not just coming in to be on the team, he's going to be Randy Moss -- a difference-maker
I think its all a "work" as they say in the wrestling business.


Or like a good agent, just trying to build his guy up.......

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Good summation. Most likely a first-ballot HOFer, but still an unfulfilled talent...which is kind of weird. Hard to find a guy like him in NFL history with so much talent but also such an enigma. Bob "Boomer" Brown was an offensive tackle in the 1960's and early 70's. He was really good, eventually made the HOF, but he probably should have been one of the best (if not THE best) offensive tackles of all-time. Too Tall Jones was kind of like that too, but to a lesser degree.

I always got the impression that Randy Moss played football because he made money and was good at it. It never seemed that Moss enjoyed playing football. So its not surprising to me that he retired.

I wouldn't put Boomer in the same boat as Randy. Randy's problems stemmed from motivation, or lack there of. Boomer had some inconsistencies and was shipped around due to a knee injury he suffered halfway through is career. He still made the pro-bowl six times after the injury, and made the pro-bowl on each team he went to, proving others gave up on him too early in his career. Without the knee injury, maybe the best ever...who knows. With that knee injury though, he was still a HOFer, amazing. Enigma solved...injury held him back.

With Deacon...I just flat out disagree with you. He missed 5 games out of 196 over 14 years. I think this points to Jones in the least attempting to squeeze out and leave every ounce of his talent onto the field. IMO his talent was fully fulfilled. The enigma might be his attitude and demeanor maybe, but he wasn't an enigma because of an unfulfilled talent, that's for damn sure.

I think a guy like "Bullet" Bob Hayes is a better example, and much closer to Moss in comparison to such a high level of unfulfilled talent. Hayes was world class athlete, and a Gold medal winner in the olympics. He might have been a better WR if he were able to lay off the "recreational" activities... *cough...cocaine...cough* I think Bob was also unmotivated over the long haul, but he definitely helped change the game and was a contributor to the way defenses cover WR's today.

All that said, you and Larry are correct. He was such a great talent that was definitely unfulfilled, and yes he was an enigma.

[Senser81]

I wouldn't put Boomer in the same boat as Randy. Randy's problems stemmed from motivation, or lack there of. Boomer had some inconsistencies and was shipped around due to a knee injury he suffered halfway through is career. He still made the pro-bowl six times after the injury, and made the pro-bowl on each team he went to, proving others gave up on him too early in his career. Without the knee injury, maybe the best ever...who knows. With that knee injury though, he was still a HOFer, amazing. Enigma solved...injury held him back.

Brown was well-known to put in great games against great opponents, but then have bad games against guys he should be killing. Thats the main reason why he bounced around from team-to-team during his career. I think Moss was the same way. He could do great when the spotlight was on, but put him on a non-contending team and he shuts down.

With Deacon...I just flat out disagree with you. He missed 5 games out of 196 over 14 years. I think this points to Jones in the least attempting to squeeze out and leave every ounce of his talent onto the field. IMO his talent was fully fulfilled. The enigma might be his attitude and demeanor maybe, but he wasn't an enigma because of an unfulfilled talent, that's for damn sure.

I wasn't speaking about "Deacon Jones", I was speaking about Ed "Too Tall" Jones of the Cowboys. IIRC, Too Tall was the first or second guy selected in the 1975 draft. He was supposed to be this unstoppable force, but while he was good, he never put it all together. He quit football in 1979 to become a boxer, but came back in 1980. Tom Landry said that Jones was a better player when he came back from boxing, because even though he was older he was more dedicated.

I think a guy like "Bullet" Bob Hayes is a better example, and much closer to Moss in comparison to such a high level of unfulfilled talent. Hayes was world class athlete, and a Gold medal winner in the olympics. He might have been a better WR if he were able to lay off the "recreational" activities... *cough...cocaine...cough* I think Bob was also unmotivated over the long haul, but he definitely helped change the game and was a contributor to the way defenses cover WR's today.

I would disagree. The NFL is filled with coaches who sign world class sprinters, but none of them ever pan out. Hayes is one of the only ones that did. I would say Hayes overachieved.

[FirstTimer]

I would disagree. The NFL is filled with coaches who sign world class sprinters, but none of them ever pan out. Hayes is one of the only ones that did. I would say Hayes overachieved.

Jack Jackson

[Senser81]

Jack Jackson

Dominated the original Bill Walsh College Football game for Sega, though.

[StealthShot]

HOFer? Has to be no?

He was the best WR when he played almost every year, and the stats don't lie he's a lock.

[PP]

I still don't think we have seen the last of Brady2Moss.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I wouldn't put Boomer in the same boat as Randy. Randy's problems stemmed from motivation, or lack there of. Boomer had some inconsistencies and was shipped around due to a knee injury he suffered halfway through is career. He still made the pro-bowl six times after the injury, and made the pro-bowl on each team he went to, proving others gave up on him too early in his career. Without the knee injury, maybe the best ever...who knows. With that knee injury though, he was still a HOFer, amazing. Enigma solved...injury held him back.

With Deacon...I just flat out disagree with you. He missed 5 games out of 196 over 14 years. I think this points to Jones in the least attempting to squeeze out and leave every ounce of his talent onto the field. IMO his talent was fully fulfilled. The enigma might be his attitude and demeanor maybe, but he wasn't an enigma because of an unfulfilled talent, that's for damn sure.

I think a guy like "Bullet" Bob Hayes is a better example, and much closer to Moss in comparison to such a high level of unfulfilled talent. Hayes was world class athlete, and a Gold medal winner in the olympics. He might have been a better WR if he were able to lay off the "recreational" activities... *cough...cocaine...cough* I think Bob was also unmotivated over the long haul, but he definitely helped change the game and was a contributor to the way defenses cover WR's today.

All that said, you and Larry are correct. He was such a great talent that was definitely unfulfilled, and yes he was an enigma.

Incessant rambling.

In the bold, I don't even think you know who you are talking about.

F-

[Senser81]

Incessant rambling.

In the bold, I don't even think you know who you are talking about.

F-

VSN 2011 Midterm Grades

ShaynDaPain = B+
Very difficult to grade. His NFL forum work is atrocious, but his Locker Room material is gold. Whether he’s buying from a slum lord, banging his realtor, or calling W2B a racist, its always entertaining.

[NAHSTE]

One of the best footballers of my generation. Seeing him retire makes me feel old, he was a force of nature at Marshall, and his Vikings years and that one year with the Patriots is stuff of legend. Great player and he also inspired one of the most iconic rap lines of the 2000s. I'm sad to see him hang it up.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I wasn't speaking about "Deacon Jones", I was speaking about Ed "Too Tall" Jones of the Cowboys.

My bad, don't know why my mind jumped strait to Deacon. Maybe because you were talking about HOF'ers and my mind just jumped strait to Deacon Jones.

[Warner2BruceTD]

One of the best footballers of my generation. Seeing him retire makes me feel old, he was a force of nature at Marshall, and his Vikings years and that one year with the Patriots is stuff of legend. Great player and he also inspired one of the most iconic rap lines of the 2000s. I'm sad to see him hang it up.

get used to this

[NAHSTE]

get used to this

Griffey was the first one to really make me feel that way. Now it's Moss. Once guys like Derek Jeter, Tim Duncan and Peyton Manning start hanging it up, I might as well join the AARP.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I would disagree. The NFL is filled with coaches who sign world class sprinters, but none of them ever pan out. Hayes is one of the only ones that did. I would say Hayes overachieved.

Maybe. The point is Hayes was a world class athlete, the likes of which the NFL had never seen before in a player with at least some receiving talent. I think he was consistent enough to say he was more than an overachiever. With more concentration and less cocaine/drug abuse he most likely would have maintained a longer career. I'll just agree to disagree then, as I remember our last argument of "Bullet" Bob Hayes, you don't like him very much. I remember you saying he'll never make the HOF...low and behold, one year after that conversation...Bob's in. :noidea:

[j.hen]

So I think I'm just going to pretend he's still a FA looking for a team...