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Nope. He sucks. Worst intermediate passer i have ever seen. Always hit his WRs in the feet.
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this.
He was consistently overrated by so many people.
Back to Diivox post of his career stats, yes they really don't look bad. Nobody is going to say he wasn't at least a good QB. At times he was great. I can recount a few times when he was just terrible, in the NFC championship games especially when you would expect a HOF QB to play well, he almost never did. He was never ever ever ever the best QB in the league. Which IMO is what you need to be in order to get into the HOF. As I said before, he never once lead the league in any important stat category. This includes, passing yards, percentage, touchdowns, ints, rating...Never. The best he came was 3rd in passing yards in '08. There has been at least 2-3 QB's who were better QB's, even in his best year. He's just not HOF. One of the really good QB's of our time though, but that's as far as he should get.sigpic
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This is his legacy in a nutshell.
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I hate all the McNabb hate.
25-26 NFL teams would have killed for a QB with his W-L during his Philadelphia run.
I am not saying he is the best QB of his generation or anything, but the amount of hate this guy gets is unbelieveable.My Twitch video link: http://www.twitch.tv/dave374000
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No. Overrated, inaccurate whiny ass.Comment
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I don't hate McNabb. He's just overrated. He was streaky IMO, and never the model of consistency, irrespective of the Eagles winning percentage for his time there. In 2003, in the middle of the Eagles streak of appearing in 5 consecutive NFC Championship games, McNabb started the season with a 63.5 QB rating over the first 9 games. He was horrible that year, and yet they were still 6-3 by that point, and ended the year 12-4, first in the NFC if I'm not mistaken. I don't know how often I saw McNabb have just 3 horrendous quarters and just one amazing quarter when he'd blow up out of nowhere. It was odd seeing him go from total crap to amazing so quickly, and crash back down again. That's just how I remember the guy, for the most part. He was better at being consistent more in some seasons, but not all of the. Question, wasn't he injured often as well?sigpicComment
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This.
Sure, he hasn't won a ring yet but getting your team to 5 conference championships carries a lot of weight. To say he's a loser is totally unfair. Statistically, he's rarely been pretty but he's effective. But even in his stats there are some things to be uncovered.
2004 was his only statistically dominant year. It also happened to be the only year he had above average talent at the WR position. A big chunk of his career was spent throwing to James Thrash and Todd Pinkston. Yet, he still had a pretty lengthy stretch where he was considered by many to be among the top 5 QB's in the game.
He never threw for 4000 yards or led the league in anything. Part of that is because of a more legit knock on him - he missed games due to injury almost every season. In 2004 through '06 and again in '09 & '10, he was on pace to go over 4K yds but didn't play a full season. 8 times he finished top 10 in passing yards/game. By comparison, John Elway did it 9 times and 3 of those came at age 35 or older. McNabb will be 35 in November. 5 times McNabb has finished among top 10 in passer rating. Elway's done it 5 times, again a couple of those very late in his career.
I don't bring up that sacred name to say McNabb is as good as Elway, because I don't think that at all. I do want to make a couple other points, though. First, early in Elway's career he played with a lot of average joes on offense and so did McNabb. I think he has to be given some credit for getting those guys he played with as far as he did. Yes, he did have better backs early on than Elway had, but none of them could stay on the field to make that much of a difference most of the time. Second, Elway and lots of other QBs have had plenty of success between the ages of 35 & 40, so McNabb's career isn't over. With a back like AP (or AD, whichever you prefer) and the Vikes return to the form they showed on defense a couple years ago, who knows, he just might have a ring in him.
Someone said McNabb's a system QB. I have to debate this. If anything, trying to fit a system hampered him a bit. Over the years, he's really changed his game and forced himself to play more from the pocket. Look at his rushing stats again. His first 5 years he was up around 70-80 rushes almost every year. Ever since he's been down in the 30s most seasons. And its not like he got old, he was 28 starting that 6th year. Still, he made so many great plays off of improvisation.
Statistically, I think he's borderline but all those trips to the NFC Championship game put him over the top for me. I can see the case for leaving him out, but to say he's a flat-out no with no chance doesn't make sense to me. [/rant]
For argument's sake, let's say this is his last season and he essentially does nothing. If so, the case to watch to see how McNabb might be treated by HOF committee is Steve McNair. From a statistical and successful standpoint they're very similar.Comment
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I think McNair is getting in, which will be a travesty, because he's not even as good as McNabb and was largely an average player. But the media (particularly the goofs at ESPN, namely Berman & Tom Jackson) LOVED Steve McNair like no other player of his era.
McNair exceeded 20 TD's three times. His teams had winning records four times in thirteen seasons, which is abysmal when you think about it. He was never even close to being the best QB in the league, and most years he was way outside the top ten. The Titans routinely performed just as well (and most times better) on offense when he was hurt and people like Neil O'Donnell and Billy Volek stepped in. Volek, in particular, would light in up replacing McNair, and McNair would inexplicably get his job back ever time he returned from injury.
I will never, ever understand the facination with Steve McNair.Comment
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If you want to discredit the first two links as an agent doing his job, go here:
where he openly supports his agents criticism.
probably rubber stamped by McNabb.
probably rubber stamped too. pretty piss poor agent, to the point of not even being certified by the NFLPA if he doesnt approve the comments.
blatant, open disrespect for the Shannahans.
more blatant, open disrespect for the Shannahans.
more "my agent said it" bitching.
yet more bitching.
Eagles bitching.
more eagles bitching.
yet more eagles bitching.
even yet more eagles bitching.
yet even more eagles bitching. i've been beating a dead horse for a while now. still. because you are THAT wrong.
heres his bitching on the way out.
My girlfriend is out the shower now and it's blu-ray time, so I'm not gonna ride any harder on this. I know I could keep clicking next for TO and limbaugh stuff if i really wanted to, cuz i read it all when it happened.
I could keep digging through the PFT archives, but I think i've hammered this point deeper than a motherfucker. McNabb bitches on a regular basis, and that's just with the redskins thing. I don't need more ammo here, but if you still aren't convinced, google "mcnabb financial apology". he has bitched his his entire career.
The real question is:
how do you miss this shit Dave, as a member of the fucking press? You, of all people on this forum, should have a deep understanding of how much of a crybaby he has been.Comment
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Racist.
I keed I keed.
But seriously, you're right about McNair. I mean he did have that one co-MVP season, which he shared with Manning who had had 1,000 more passing yards and a petting winning record. Personally I think the voting was rigged.
You really can't compare Elway to McNabb, the rules have changed to significantly help the passing game in the NFL. While average Joe QB's are now throwing for 4,000 passing yards, McNabb hasn't. You just can't compare players from different eras with players of today, it's never a fair argument.
Let's compare McNabb with his peers. Brady & Manning are both guaranteed HOF'ers, wouldn't you agree? You'll have to prove McNabb belongs in the same conversation as these two guys.
Super Bowl Wins
Brady: 3
Manning: 1
McNabb: 0
This is a big deal in HOF voting. McNabb will have no help here, and I doubt he'll take the 5-10 Vikings to win one anytime soon.
Proof of Tier 1 and HOF worth through statistical achievement
Brady: Set the record for most TDs in a season, lead the nfl in touchdowns twice, passing yards twice, rating once, comp % once. Three 4,000 yard passing seasons.
Manning: Set the record for most TDs in a season(until brady broke it) Lead the NFL in TDs three times, rating three times, passing yardage twice, compltion percentage once. Three strait 100+ QB rating seasons. Eleven 4,000 yard seasons, including six strait 4,000 yard seasons, and another 5 strait 4,000 yard seasons.
McNabb: nothing...Has never lead the NFL in any major stat category.
On top of it all, it's been proven McNabb choked often, including in most of his NFC championship games.
I agree he's not a system QB, but this is a knock against him as well, can't you see that? If he didn't pull that ball down and run with it, he might have spent a lot less time injured, and a lot more time puting up real numbers. Vick came in and enjoyed the system McNabb left behind, though he has the same problem with being a scrambling QB running into injuries. In fact just about every QB that's stepped in to replace the injured McNabb, had some success.. Except for Detmer and McMahon, who were obviously both hot garbage in or out of any system. The point is, it's never a good thing when your QB missing games because he's running too often. As McNabb ages, he's getting less and less capable of scrambling well, and more and more likely to face injuries because of it. But he's still not able to lean on an accurate arm, because he just doesn't have that.Someone said McNabb's a system QB. I have to debate this. If anything, trying to fit a system hampered him a bit. Over the years, he's really changed his game and forced himself to play more from the pocket. Look at his rushing stats again. His first 5 years he was up around 70-80 rushes almost every year. Ever since he's been down in the 30s most seasons. And its not like he got old, he was 28 starting that 6th year. Still, he made so many great plays off of improvisation.
But lets look at the system shall we.
In 2002, AJ Feely came in to replace an injured McNabb and went 5-1, while McNabb was 7-3 on the year. McNabb went on to have a 53.0 rating in the NFC Championship, and lose the game 10-27 after throwing a late 4th quarter INT to Ronde Barber who took it back 92 yards for the touchdown.
In '05 the defense just wasn't the same, McMahon sucks balls, and the team just couldn't weather the storm when McNabb got hurt.
In '06 Jeff Garcia, who's the definitive west coast system passer, stepped in for an injured McNabb. The Eagles defense still wasn't right, but Garcia proved that the team could win without McNabb. He went 5-1, when McNabb was 5-5 before he got hurt. Garcia had 10 TDs and only 2 INTs, compared to McNabbs 18 to 6.
In '09 when Kolb got to start 2 games, he had 391 yard and 327 yard games, 4 tds, 3 ints and 60.8% & 70.6% completion. Lights out, and I think Kolb isn't that great TBH.
Fast forward to last year and the Eagles did just fine without McNabb. More proof he wasn't HOF caliber, at least he wasn't by the time they sent him packing.
He went to the NFC Championship 4 years in a row when the NFC really wasn't that strong! The best teams at this time were in the AFC. I mean his competition was garbage for the most part, and he had the best defense in the NFC to boot. He didn't have to be that special to get there. But the most damning evidence was his piss poor NFC Championship performances. He had only 1 good game in the NFC Chmp game. Flat-out, he couldn't win the big game.
For argument's sake, the only chance he has of making the HOF IMO is to win a Super Bowl. He's not going go to Minnesota and lead the NFL in any statistical category.
Unless you win a Super Bowl, you have to prove to be the best, QB in some significant way, typically through statistical achievement, and he's never done that. In fact he's almost always hovering in the top 6-10 range in all statistical categories.sigpicComment
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That co-MVP was the biggest crock of shit ever.
Manning had better numbers across the board. Manning beat McNair head to head twice. And Manning's team won the division over McNair's team.
This is a perfect example of the media gushing over McNair. They waited years until he finally had good enough statistics so that they could justify an MVP for him. Manning sharing that award was a travesty.Comment
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