Donovan McNabb and the Hall of Fame

[Aso]

Let me put it like this, Go look at Elways numbers from 1990, 1991, 1992. That three year patch was ROUGH by any QB standard, you think people weren't saying the same things they were saying about McNabb? Forget people wondering if he was going to get to another superbowl, people were wondering if he should even be starting still at that point.

I'm not saying McNabb's going to be able to pull off what Elway did and explode towards the end of his career, i'm just saying its a pretty similar looking situation to me, and it COULD happen.

 

Also Elway won his superbowls once he got an all-pro RB....i hear this Peterson guy is pretty good....just sayin.

Your comparisons are awful. I've seen games of the Broncos in the time you're talking about. The announcers didn't talk about him the way they do McNabb now.

And the Broncos offense as a whole in that time is far and beyond what the Vikings have now. It was more than just a RB that helped him get over the top.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Consider this concerning McNabb's accuracy...

Last year Michael Vick's completion percentage went up 9% under Andy Reid. McNabb, away from Reid, put up his worst completion percentage since 2006, and one of the lowest rates of his career.

McNabb definitely benefited from playing under Reid, and he still wasn't a very accurate passer.

[Hasselbeck]

The Elway to McNabb comparisons are laughable. There was never a doubt Elway was headed to the HOF, irregardless of the end to his career. Similar to Marino, Elway would have been in on the first crack even if he didn't win a Super Bowl.

Of course - that didn't happen. Elway closed out his career with back-to-back championships and he was even more of a slam dunk to be a HOF player, and entered the discussion of GOAT for the quarterback position.

McNabb? Even a Super Bowl win might not be enough. I just don't see the numbers to make him a HOF player. Was he a good QB in his prime? Absolutely.. and he was instrumental in the Eagles being a Super Bowl contender for several years.. but that doesn't equate to being a hall-of-fame caliber player.

I don't think he gets in to be honest. Nor should he at this point.

[blstuart]

He's the above average quarterback on Super Bowl winning teams. If that puts him in the Hall of Fame than so be it.

Unfortunately, yes, being the above average QB on Super Bowl winning teams does put you in the Hall of Fame.
You bring up Bradshaw which is a good one. My example would be Troy Aikman.

[dave]

Consider this concerning McNabb's accuracy...

Last year Michael Vick's completion percentage went up 9% under Andy Reid. McNabb, away from Reid, put up his worst completion percentage since 2006, and one of the lowest rates of his career.

McNabb definitely benefited from playing under Reid, and he still wasn't a very accurate passer.

For all this yacking about McNabb's inaccuracy - and I'm not saying he's Joe Montana where that's concerned - the man didn't throw a whole lot of INTs in his Eagles' career. His TD-INT ratio seems sadly overlooked in this thread.
I agree McNabb choked more than I would like, but given the lousy WRs he had throughout his Eagles' career, his TD-INT and numbers are pretty damn good.

But I was at The Vet when he threw the pick to Ronde Barber in 2002. Ugh. I've never heard a stadium so quiet (other than any time I attend a Toronto Blue Jays home game).

[Diivox]

Consider this concerning McNabb's accuracy...

Last year Michael Vick's completion percentage went up 9% under Andy Reid. McNabb, away from Reid, put up his worst completion percentage since 2006, and one of the lowest rates of his career.

McNabb definitely benefited from playing under Reid, and he still wasn't a very accurate passer.

i think that's this thread in a nutshell right there. McNabb has a chance to make last season look like an aberration and stand on his stats, or he can support the already standing perception that Reid is a really amazing coach because of what he got out of Donnie. im not sure that Leslie Frazier and Percy Harvin are the people to change that perception. AP might open up some passing opportunities, but he's not passing to anyone of consequence.

I think Minnesota fucked up pretty bad letting Sidney Rice walk, especially after Favre showed us Rice could be pretty fucking amazing with a competent quarterback throwing to him. Guy was definitely the only Vikings reciever I worried about since Moss 1.0.

[Xixak]

Any thoughts of McNabb being in the HOF will wither away after this season. Pray for me while I suffer through a parade of interceptions and bad throws this year

[Senser81]

For all this yacking about McNabb's inaccuracy - and I'm not saying he's Joe Montana where that's concerned - the man didn't throw a whole lot of INTs in his Eagles' career. His TD-INT ratio seems sadly overlooked in this thread.
I agree McNabb choked more than I would like, but given the lousy WRs he had throughout his Eagles' career, his TD-INT and numbers are pretty damn good.

They are good because he didn't pass for yardage. A dink-and-dunk guy, who would run instead of forcing a pass. I was looking over McNabb's numbers, and they were pretty interesting. Only 4 times did he play a full season. Never threw for over 4000 yards. In fact, he only threw over 3500 yards three times, which is low considering the era. Never finished in the top 5 in passing yards (finished in the top 10 only twice). And for the guy who claimed that McNabb spent most of his career as a top 5 QB, he finished in the top 5 in QB rating only twice. Aside from his 2004 season, his numbers are rather pedestrian.

[Jclentzthadon]

McNabb had little talent at WR his whole career. That being said this whole "McNabb to the Hall talk" is only now beginning because this will be a throw down once he becomes eligible. He really flamed out in DC and now he is at Minny, in what I believe to still be a quality team with obvious wepons. It will be interesting to see how this season plays out for him and the eagles.

[Senser81]

McNabb had little talent at WR his whole career.

But he had great coaching and a great defense. If we are going to praise McNabb for leading his team to NFC championship games, then we should at least acknowledge that the Eagles were a pretty strong team, who would usually win with Koy Detmer and AJ Feeley at QB.

[Wrath]

First off I think McNabb was one heck of a QB and he did HIS part in leading the Eagles to those championship games and the SUPERBOWL. Unfortunately, he was very inconsistent and his completion percentage and lack of desire to run at times drove me and lots of eagles fans crazy. That being said, McNabb was a winner and knew how to protect the ball. I believe he has one of the lowest interception rates among QB's. I feel that McNabb was Miscast abet in the Eagles system. Had McNabb been on a run first team where you worked off the play action with a few deep threats he could have done even more in this league. The Eagles system works better at a higher completion percentage and relies abet more on touch which was McNabb's weakness. However; McNabb made the best of our system and performed which courage and more heart at times then he's given credit. As an example when he played on a broken leg verse the Arizona Cardinals...I feel McNabb is a borderline Hall of Fame player who may get in because he was a super football player but not first ballet.

[Jclentzthadon]

But he had great coaching and a great defense. If we are going to praise McNabb for leading his team to NFC championship games, then we should at least acknowledge that the Eagles were a pretty strong team, who would usually win with Koy Detmer and AJ Feeley at QB.

That is the counter argument, no question. Now I am not die hard eagles fan but, you gotta look at things in this light too. Who did they lose too? They lost to one of the greatest offenses in NFL history (Rams), they lost to one of the greatest defenses in NFL history (Bucs), they lost to a team that put up one of the greatest runs at a dynasty in the past 15 years + in the Patriots AND all those teams did what? Won the superbowl that same year.

I cannot recall but I think they did lose to the Panthers who lost in the Superbowl to the patriots but they did have some tough beats against some tough teams.

[Jclentzthadon]

I guess my point is that the eagles were ALWAYS good but they were never truly great outside of the year they had with T.O. They were the nuts that year. Just see the Eagles as consistantly a very good team but they never had that Rams year or that Bucs year where they just were "the team".

[Senser81]

That is the counter argument, no question. Now I am not die hard eagles fan but, you gotta look at things in this light too. Who did they lose too? They lost to one of the greatest offenses in NFL history (Rams), they lost to one of the greatest defenses in NFL history (Bucs), they lost to a team that put up one of the greatest runs at a dynasty in the past 15 years + in the Patriots AND all those teams did what? Won the superbowl that same year.

While thats true, I also remember the Eagles always losing at home to inferior opponents in the playoffs. Even that Bucs loss was at Philly.

[Jclentzthadon]

While thats true, I also remember the Eagles always losing at home to inferior opponents in the playoffs. Even that Bucs loss was at Philly.

They blew to the panthers also.