VSN's Top 10 NFL Quarterbacks.

[The Messenger]

Oh okay.

Kurt Warner wins, because of the talent around him. Drew Brees loses because Purdue, San Diego and New Orleans held him back? I've never heard that reasoning before.

Now that I think about it.... Well, Drew Brees still barely breaks my top 10. But at least I now understand the reason behind the guy's continued failure.

Great conversation, guys.

Someone giving up?

[Nukleopatra]

Someone giving up?

I wanted a reason why the guy is such a failure.

Saluki's answer is more than sufficient.

Every team and player that Drew Brees has every played with, holds him back.

I'll still bash the fuck out of him as the years roll by, so stay tuned.

[The Messenger]

I wanted a reason why the guy is such a failure.

Saluki's answer is more than sufficient.

Every team and player that Drew Brees has every played with, holds him back.

I'll still bash the fuck out of him as the years roll by, so stay tuned.

Are you always this chipper?:bestwishes:

[Saluki]

Oh okay.

Kurt Warner wins, because of the talent around him. Drew Brees loses because Purdue, San Diego and New Orleans held him back? I've never heard that reasoning before.

Now that I think about it.... Well, Drew Brees still barely breaks my top 10. But at least I now understand the reason behind the guy's continued failure.

Great conversation, guys.

I never said Warner wins BECAUSE of the talent around him, but it sure does help. He's just had better talent to work with than Brees which = more success. Give Warner the Saints and he would prob play just as well there, but he wouldn't have gone to the superbowl this season, not a chance. Put Brees on the Cards and i think they could make that same playoff run they did, and Brees def breaks the record for yards with that team.

[Nukleopatra]

Give Warner the Saints and he would prob play just as well there, but he wouldn't have gone to the superbowl this season, not a chance.

Yeah. We all know how unlikely it is for Kurt Warner to take one of the worst teams in the NFL to the super bowl, with the 32nd rank rush offense and the 19th ranked defense (who only gave up 8 yards less per game than New Orleans.)

Oh, lol, wait a minute - He did take take team to the super bowl.

Like I said, your reasoning is more than sufficient. The NFL holds Drew Brees back.

Thanks again.

[Saluki]

Yeah. We all know how unlikely it is for Kurt Warner to take one of the worst teams in the NFL to the super bowl, with the 32nd rank rush offense and the 19th ranked defense (who only gave up 8 yards less per game than New Orleans.)

Oh, lol, wait a minute - He did take take team to the super bowl.

Like I said, your reasoning is more than sufficient. The NFL holds Drew Brees back.

Thanks again.

You seem to forget the fact the even though he didn't have a running game he had TWO Pro-Bowl WRs and a slot WR who could start on most teams. I'm not taking anything away from Warner, but the Cardinals are a much better team than the saints were this season, especially with all the injuries NO had.

I'd agree with Warner above Brees this season. But there's no way u can't have Brees in your top 10 with what he did this season and what little he did it with.

[Saluki]

Lol i was just looking at the stats, and i didn't even realize that Brees threw for 5000 with Colston only playing 11 games, and no New Orleans WR getting to 1000 yards. That's fucking nuts, i might have to move him up on my list.

[Nukleopatra]

You seem to forget the fact the even though he didn't have a running game he had TWO Pro-Bowl WRs and a slot WR who could start on most teams. I'm not taking anything away from Warner, but the Cardinals are a much better team than the saints were this season, especially with all the injuries NO had.

I'd agree with Warner above Brees this season. But there's no way u can't have Brees in your top 10 with what he did this season and what little he did it with.

New Orleans - 1st ranked offense.
New Orleans - 23rd ranked defense.

Arizona - 4th ranked offense.
Arizona - 19th ranked defense (Only gave up 8 yards less than NO per game.)

Nah. Arizona is not a ''much better'' team overall.

Oh, and Drew Brees is on my top 10. My argument is, he isn't top 3 - even with your conspiracy theory about every team and player holding back Drew Brees.

We can move on, though.

[Saluki]

New Orleans - 1st ranked offense.
New Orleans - 23rd ranked defense.

Arizona - 4th ranked offense.
Arizona - 19th ranked defense (Only gave up 8 yards less than NO per game.)

Nah. Arizona is not a ''much better'' team overall.

Oh, and Drew Brees is on my top 10. My argument is, he isn't top 3 - even with your conspiracy theory about every team and player holding back Drew Brees.

We can move on, though.

I never said his team was holding him back, he put up almost the EXACT same stats that Warner put up with 500 more passing yards and 4 more TDs and his team still didn't win enough games to make the playoffs in what was a tough NFC south this season (but we won't get into that). They arn't holding him back from producing no, but the rest of the team has to contribute at some point for him to win.
Even Marino, who put up GODLY numbers year after year couldn't do it all for his team, someone else has to step up at some point, a QB can only do so much. Just like in the playoffs, the Cards run game and D stepped up in a BIG way. No way they would have made the superbowl if they played like they were playing in the regular season. True Cards and Saints had similar reg seasons, and Warner and Brees had similar seasons, the diff is Arizona stepped it up when they had too, and New Orleans didn't. That has nothing to do with how good or bad the QB is.

[brees fan]

i spit these same numbers at him a while back.. here in a minute he will revert back to his playoff record argument...

(edit)
no i think you pretty well sealed that one up

[Nukleopatra]

True Cards and Saints had similar reg seasons, and Warner and Brees had similar seasons, the diff is Arizona stepped it up when they had too, and New Orleans didn't. That has nothing to do with how good or bad the QB is.

My point is, did Drew Brees really ''step it up'' when he had to?

Answer: Fuck no.

Let's rewind... The guy is 0-18 when trailing after the 3rd quarter.

Week 10 vs. Atlanta - 3 interceptions, one of which was returned for a TD = loss.

Week 13 vs. Tampa Bay - 3 Interceptions, 2 in the fourth quarter = Loss.

That's just two examples of a career full of late game fuck ups. If you want them all, I have them all in memory, because, well, I love bashing the fuck out of Drew Brees, so I like to stock up on ammo, if/when I ever find a person/persons who actually consider this fucker a clutch performer. then again, it's the NFL holding him back, right? Right!

Look me up via PM, if you want.

[Saluki]

My point is, did Drew Brees really ''step it up'' when he had to?

Answer: Fuck no.

Let's rewind... The guy is 0-18 when trailing after the 3rd quarter.

Week 10 vs. Atlanta - 3 interceptions, one of which was returned for a TD = loss.

Week 13 vs. Tampa Bay - 3 Interceptions, 2 in the fourth quarter = Loss.

That's just two examples of a career full of late game fuck ups. If you want them all, I have them all in memory, because, well, I love bashing the fuck out of Drew Brees, so I like to stock up on ammo, if/when I ever find a person/persons who actually consider this fucker a clutch performer. then again, it's the NFL holding him back, right? Right!

Look me up via PM, if you want.

One i NEVER said the NFL was holding brees back, because i don't think he's been held back. All i said was that the Cards have better Weapons than the saints. And the Rams Warner played for has WAAAY better Weapons than the Chargers Brees played for, i'm done tho because your personal vendetta against brees makes this pointless.

[Nukleopatra]

One i NEVER said the NFL was holding brees back, because i don't think he's been held back. All i said was that the Cards have better Weapons than the saints. And the Rams Warner played for has WAAAY better Weapons than the Chargers Brees played for, i'm done tho because your personal vendetta against brees makes this pointless.

When Drew Brees (lol) manages to get his 2nd career playoff victory, we'll grab ''Brees_Fan,'' pop some Champagne and have ourselves a threesome. We'll have plenty of opportunities to discuss this during the upcoming season, because, well, you think I'm bad now? You should see me during the season - I'll have my very own Drew Brees thread, counting the many ways he's fucked over yet another promising season for the New Orleans Saints, with more late game fuck ups that's he's been known for throughout his career.

I get goosebumps just thinking about it.

[Saluki]

Meh, i could really care less about Brees or Warner. Once the season starts, if they arn't playin the bears they can do as good or bad as they wanna lol

[Goober]

lol, nuk has been using his 0-18 stat for weeks now, and no body has anything to counter it with.