Anyone Else Tired of Tim Tebow

[FirstTimer]

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Being able to vocalize your beliefs is a fundamental right in our country.

Ok.

I never said he shouldn't have the right to.

Add that to FT's list of salient questions for sportswriters to run by this guy.

:yawn:

Never said it had to be sportswriters.

If someone's religious beliefs are swayed by someone throwing a TD pass is that Tebow's fault?

No.

And that's not the issue.

[ralaw]

[FirstTimer]

All kids want to be like their heroes...so if you're going to be a hero you should probably keep something as complicated as religion to yourself IMO.

This is where I differ from KG slightly. I'm not saying he shouldn't talk about his beliefs, but if he's up there saying he's using this platform to do this or that then I think it's only right and fair that questions be asked about what he actually believes, what he is spreading, and why he aligns himself with certain groups that are pretty damn intolerant.

[killgod]

This is where I differ from KG slightly. I'm not saying he shouldn't talk about his beliefs, but if he's up there saying he's using this platform to do this or that then I think it's only right and fair that questions be asked about what he actually believes, what he is spreading, and why he aligns himself with certain groups that are pretty damn intolerant.

I thought we were supposed to be fighting the same "battle" and then when you come to a stalemate you tell the other person "AH HA, I haveth stumped you villian, thou must leaveth thy thread for I shall claim victorious glory!"

It's a matter of opinion and nobody here is really wrong because depending on your perception, what is right and wrong will be different to each other.

I do find it amusing how glen is in denial of facts even though a simple google of "tebow using NFL as platform" will give you direct quotes from him out the wazoo.

[killgod]

I've conceded that.. But I still don't see your solution to how we save our youth from such a menace.

I do enjoy your scathing exaggeration, shows your ability to debate on even footing.

These kids aren't going to inquire about what he believes in as they grow up watching him?

Assuming he does support all the beliefs of his religious choice, these kids will find out he thinks being gay is wrong......

Then what?

Hate themselves for being gay?
Hate gays?
What?


Big reason why I...and I believe FT...think that question should be asked. (oh to be clear and avoid another repeated dumbass comment, asked in the PROPER SETTING...derp)

[s@ppisgod]

No.

It's not really people "in his religion" It's part of his religion. That's why he willingly aligns himself with groups like Focus on the Family etc.


With Tebow using the NFL as a platform to help spread his relgious convictions/beliefs/evengelize(which he admitted in yesterdays press conference) I think it's a valid question.

So you take him at his word on evangelizing, so why not take him at his word on the subject of homosexuality instead of trying to connect any number of dots with "who he aligns himself with"? It's not at all out of the ordinary for people to disagree with parts of their religion, as they usually cover a lot of ground.

I'm not saying he should stop being who he is. I'm saying I'm surprised no one has sat him down and asked him about it on the record.

Fair enough.

Do you not understand that the people in tebows foudnation more than liekly share those intolerant beliefs, as very well may Tebow himself.

Again, you're conjecturing on the guy. Doesn't it make more sense to hear what he, himself, has to say on the subject before being against him for it? It seems like you're putting the carriage before the horse here.

I'm not questioning Tebow on the actions of every Christian worldwide, I'd be asking his frame of reference of the Church/sect that Tebow has willingly aligned himself with and is out there activley promoting...and using the NFL to help do it.

I don't know, it's such a slippery slope. There are different parts of different sects whose beliefs differ greatly. It just seems like prejudging (which is what he's being accused of, mainly) to me, but you're open with letting him answer it, so maybe not.

He's a bigot because of a fairytale.

Fact.

Get over it.

You're basing this FACT about the man by his religion, and not by him. I was raised Catholic, therefore I must hate gays too, right? Fact.

But I don't really expect anything constructive from you in a debate about a religious guy. Or ever. So I guess that's done with.

[ralaw]

But I don't really expect anything constructive from you in a debate about a religious guy. Or ever. So I guess that's done with.

Again, you're conjecturing on the guy.

:seeyou:

[s@ppisgod]

:seeyou:

An assumption based on nothing a guy has said, and an assumption based on EVERYTHING a guy has ever said aren't comparable in my mind. But hey, this is like the 3rd reincarnation of MM where people troll like there's no tomorrow. So again, not expecting much....

[killgod]

At what point do these children have parents who step in on a daily basis who talk to their kids?

Did athletes really influence you guys that much? To make you question yourself personally if something about them was different from you?

That's sad...

Did you not become influenced by your own heroes as a child?

Do you not believe it's possible for others to be influenced in such a manner, or is everyone influenced in the "same manner" which you were as a child? Are you that narrow minded to the possiblity that maybe not everyone is "just like you" ?

Do you realize you're talking about 7-8 year old children and you think it's sad they would question themselves over their heroes beliefs? I think that's pretty high expectation of a child that age, but certainly not old enough to fall for the "children's stories" that suck kids into religion.

Not to mention, kids always don't listen to their parents. Perhaps you did? So all kids who don't must be a bunch of sad fucks because they aren't like you?

[FirstTimer]

So you take him at his word on evangelizing, so why not take him at his word on the subject of homosexuality

Just an idiotic response all around.


He hasn't said anything on the subject ever.

Which is why I want the questions asked in the first place.

It's not at all out of the ordinary for people to disagree with parts of their religion

I know.

Which is why I want the questions asked.

I never said I think Tebow does, that he does, etc. I said I want the questions asked. You clearly can't read.

Again, you're conjecturing on the guy.

No. I'm giving reasons why the questions are valid to ask.

Try and keep up.

. It just seems like prejudging

I'm not prejudging anything. In fact I'm doing the opposite. I'm asking questions to be asked, which I would then judge off of.

[s@ppisgod]

Just an idiotic response all around.


He hasn't said anything on the subject ever.

Which is why I want the questions asked in the first place.




I know.

Which is why I want the questions asked.

I never said I think Tebow does, that he does, etc. I said I want the questions asked. You clearly can't read.





No. I'm giving reasons why the questions are valid to ask.

Try and keep up.





I'm not prejudging anything. In fact I'm doing the opposite. I'm asking questions to be asked, which I would then judge off of.

So there's no implication on Tebow at all? Because it seemed like there was.

[ram29jackson]

Tim Tebow is a young man with an athletic gift that was good enough to get him into the pro's to make a few million..but I do think he is a bit socially awkward for being home schooled, ...but he is very polite...his being a virgin isnt a problem and is no body's business and doesnt change his football skills

[FirstTimer]

So there's no implication on Tebow at all? .

No.

That's why I've been wanting the questions asked.

[bucky]

Did you not become influenced by your own heroes as a child?

Do you not believe it's possible for others to be influenced in such a manner, or is everyone influenced in the "same manner" which you were as a child? Are you that narrow minded to the possiblity that maybe not everyone is "just like you" ?

Do you realize you're talking about 7-8 year old children and you think it's sad they would question themselves over their heroes beliefs? I think that's pretty high expectation of a child that age, but certainly not old enough to fall for the "children's stories" that suck kids into religion.

Not to mention, kids always don't listen to their parents. Perhaps you did? So all kids who don't must be a bunch of sad fucks because they aren't like you?

Aren't you one of the ones that preaches athletes aren't role models? Don't you tell people to just shut up and raise your own children when someone complains about athletes being thug douchbags?

Hypocrite much?

[FirstTimer]

Tim Tebow is a young man with an athletic gift that was good enough to get him into the pro's to make a few million..but I do think he is a bit socially awkward for being home schooled, ...but he is very polite...his being a virgin isnt a problem and is no body's business and doesnt change his football skills