Could LSU lose to Alabama in the National Championship and still be #1?

[NAHSTE]

Admittingly the rest of the schedule wasn't real strong. Rice, MSU, Navy, Pitt, Penn St had a down season, etc but I think most of that is forgiven by the rest of the schedule.

Not very strong? Pshhh. That's a murderer's row compared to the slate that just got Alabama a free pass for losing their only test at home.

[KnightNoles]

1996-1997 season Rematch of Florida-Florida State

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-state/1996-schedule.html

G Date Day School Opponent Conf Pts Opp W L
1 Sep 7, 1996 Sat (3) Florida State Duke ACC W 44 7 1 0
2 Sep 19, 1996 Thu (3) Florida State @ North Carolina State ACC W 51 17 2 0
3 Sep 28, 1996 Sat (2) Florida State (11) North Carolina ACC W 13 0 3 0
4 Oct 5, 1996 Sat (2) Florida State Clemson ACC W 34 3 4 0 W 4
5 Oct 12, 1996 Sat (3) Florida State @ (6) Miami (FL) Big East W 34 16 5 0
6 Oct 26, 1996 Sat (3) Florida State (14) Virginia ACC W 31 24 6 0
7 Nov 2, 1996 Sat (3) Florida State @ Georgia Tech ACC W 49 3 7 0
8 Nov 9, 1996 Sat (3) Florida State Wake Forest ACC W 44 7 8 0
9 Nov 16, 1996 Sat (3) Florida State (25) Southern Mississippi CUSA W 54 14 9 0
10 Nov 23, 1996 Sat (3) Florida State Maryland ACC W 48 10 10 0
11 Nov 30, 1996 Sat (2) Florida State (1) Florida SEC W 24 21 11 0
12 Jan 2, 1997 Thu (1) Florida State N (3) Florida SEC L 20 52 11 1 L 1

Beat the unbeaten Gators only to have to replay them for the National Championship game.
Arizona State was #2 but was obligated to play in the Rose Bowl where they lost to Ohio State and #3 Nebraska lost in the Big 12 Championship game thus the rematch which really wasn't fair. We still can't get the post season right in College Football to this day.

Sugar Bowl for National Championship
Florida 20-52

http://frodisman.com/fsu1996.html

[NAHSTE]

I believe 1996 was one of the bizarre situations that prompted the forming of the BCS. This is why I don't even take comfort in statements like "well if enough things happen to make them look bad we'll finally get it changed" because there's no guarantee that further changes would help any.

They have tweaked it dozens of times and it gets worse every time.

[KnightNoles]

I believe I've read that Florida State was lucky to escape Florida in Tally a few times while looking back at the games... Then the better team won in the rematch...

[RainboUnicorn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football_team

Notre Dame beat the #1(Miami), #2(USC), #3(West Virginia) ranked team in the nation. #9 Michigan from week 1? Finished #4

Final polling(AP/Coaches)
Miami 2/2
Michigan 4/4
West Virginia 5/5
USC 9/7

Unanimous champions.

Just to compare here are the ranked teams LSU played:

Out of the 8 ranked teams, 6 are still ranked at:

2, 5, 6, 16, 23, 25

Mississippi State and Florida both ended up going 6-6.

[FirstTimer]

:yawn:

[Hasselbeck]

If Alabama wins the BCS Championship Game - do they deserve to be #1?

I think it's an interesting debate, and I kind of agree with this. I think LSU should be #1 irregardless of what happens Monday night... unless Alabama wins like 41-0 or something crazy.

NEW ORLEANS -- Many voters for The Associated Press Top 25 said they are not absolutely committed to selecting the winner of the Allstate BCS Championship Game as No. 1, opening the possibility that college football's top tier could have a split champion for the first time since LSU and USC in 2003.

A big part of the reason is that Monday's game between No. 1 LSU and No. 2 Alabama will be the first BCS championship featuring a rematch of a regular-season meeting. That Nov. 5 game ended with a 9-6 overtime victory for the Tigers on the Crimson Tide's home field.

The winner in New Orleans gets the Bowl Championship Series' crystal ball trophy and will be No. 1 in the final USA Today coaches' poll, which is contractually bound to have the winner of the BCS in the top spot of its rankings.

But the media members who vote in The Associated Press' college football rankings are under no such obligations. And for many of them, the choice is not so clear -- especially if the two teams stage another defensive struggle and Alabama wins narrowly.

"Awarding a championship to a team that loses its final game is beyond counterintuitive and may be un-American," said David Teel of the Daily Press in Hampton Roads, Va. "But if LSU loses narrowly, I will absolutely consider (voting the Tigers No. 1). That's how good the Tigers' regular season -- five wins over the Top 25, four away from Death Valley, including at Alabama -- was."

The AP asked voters who cast ballots for its Top 25 a few questions before the BCS game:

• Do you expect to vote the winner of the Alabama-LSU game No. 1?

• Would you consider voting LSU No. 1 even if it lost?

• Would you consider voting another team -- i.e., Oklahoma State or Stanford -- No. 1?

Forty-four of the 60 voters responded, and the bottom line is that there still is some wiggle room.

The most common answer was some version of what Ray Ratto of CSN Bay Area wrote in an email: "Anything is a possibility among the top three. And should be. Otherwise, why would we bother?"

Some were more adamant about where they stood.

Eleven voters said the winner of the BCS Championship Game will no doubt be their No. 1.

"If Alabama wins, I'm voting the Tide (No.) 1," wrote Garland Gillen of WWL-TV in New Orleans. "Championships are won in January not November."

Three voters, however, said that in a system that stresses the importance of the regular season and without a playoff to decide who's No. 1 at the end, LSU already has earned their votes.

"I will vote for LSU no matter what happens in the National Championship Game," wrote Erik Gee of KNML-AM in Albuquerque, N.M. "How in the world can they be the SEC West champ, the outright SEC champ, and lose to Alabama in a "neutral" site game (I guess you can debate the Superdome being a neutral site) after they have already beaten them in Tuscaloosa, have the series split 1-1 and not at least have a share of the national title?"

Joe Giglio of The News & Observer in Raleigh, N.C., agreed.

"Unless Alabama absolutely dominates LSU and leaves no doubt that it is a superior football team, I will be voting for LSU," he said. "I am voting for the No. 1 team in the country for the 2011 season, not the result of one game. In the case of this rematch presented by the BCS, you have to consider the scope of the entire season, not the timing of one loss."

Oklahoma State probably helped voters narrow the field. The third-ranked Cowboys' 41-38 overtime victory against No. 4 Stanford in the Fiesta Bowl was thrilling, but not the convincing performance they needed to swing the electorate their way.

In the final regular season AP rankings, LSU was a unanimous No. 1. The Tide received 38 second-place votes, 1,418 points and no votes lower than third. The Cowboys got 22 second-place votes and 1,400 points and two voters had Oklahoma State fourth.

Still, if the Tide beats LSU in less-than-convincing fashion, some voters will be torn between Oklahoma State (12-1) and Alabama (11-1).

"If Alabama and Oklahoma State both win, I'll have a hard time deciding between the two," said Kyle Ringo of the Daily Camera in Boulder, Colo. "Guess margin of victory might be the deciding factor. I'd probably lean toward OSU in that case because of its superior overall body of work."

The uncertainty has bumped up the annual calls for a playoff that would be better at settling these issues on the field. College football officials push back against that, citing a desire to protect the importance of the regular season and to avoid overextending student-athletes on the field and in the classroom.

That said, a four-team playoff, the so-called plus-one model, will at least be considered when BCS officials start looking toward the future of the system.

Meanwhile, the coaches in this year's BCS title see no ambiguity. It'll be winner take all Monday night.

"The opportunity to go play for the national championship is a completely different scenario" than a regular-season game, LSU coach Les Miles said after the game was set. "It's the same opponent. But it will be played with the title at stake."

Alabama coach Nick Saban dismissed the topic, pointing out several times that when the New York Giants lost to the Patriots during the 2007 season, then beat the New England in the Super Bowl, there was no question who was the champion.

"He's right," Doug Lesmerises of The Plain Dealer in Cleveland said. "But guess what the Super Bowl comes and the end of? A PLAYOFF. As long as college football has no playoff, that comparison is apples and oranges."

[Rudi]

No.

[Woy]

Play rock, paper, scissors for it.

[RainboUnicorn]

I asked this about a month ago...

shameless plug by me:

http://www.virtualsportsdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112365

[Bear Pand]

Time to institute a +1 system. We need Bama vs LSU part 3.

[Golden Taters]

Honestly, no matter the outcome of the game, LSU will be my number one.

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If Bama wins, they can have it. Let them have the fictional crown, it's all those miserable gumps have. It's just icing for LSU fans at this point. Bama still lost when it mattered and they won't have the SEC title.


I personally think they get steamrolled, though.

[KNUBB]

LSU gonna drop a turd on Nick Saban's chest.

[DoubleDeuce]

I think it depends. If it's 9-6 OT with this time Bama winning, split the national championship. However, if Bama goes out and completely dominates and wins 38-0 (not very likely at all), then of course they deserve it.