is Jonathan Martin a dumb ass or did someone do something to him worth talking about?

[f16harm]

So I shouldn't stand up to Floyd Mayweather if he bullied me because he would kick my ass?

Ass kicking is an ass kicking. A guy as big and as strong as Incognito could turn Martin's brain to mush with a couple good punches.

If he's bullying you, in a similar scenario as we are talking here (let's keep the rules and situation fair if you want to use him as your analogy, amirite??), then yes, you should stand up to him. Because this means you spend time with him at the gym and training, spar and fight along side him, and he repeatedly bully's you when not training. It means you should have some form of training as well so your not Tailback U off the street like you are now.

You can't employ an analogy of you as you are now, running across Mayweather at a party/get together and being bullied. That's not really bullying, that's meeting you and harassing/threatening bodily harm and that's not what is going on here.

[Tailback U]

I'm not even going to respond to that post. It's too stupid. You're trying to justify bullying based on physical stature, fighting experience, etc. And it sounds like you are actually blaming the victim more than the bully.

You're going full F16HAM on this one. Good day.

[f16harm]

I'm not even going to respond to that post. It's too stupid. You're trying to justify bullying based on physical stature, fighting experience, etc. And it sounds like you are actually blaming the victim more than the bully.

You're going full F16HAM on this one. Good day.

You can't respond because your analogy is idiotic. You're comparing Incognito bullying a teammate to you having a chance encounter with Floyd Mayweather and him threatening you LOL.

Unless Incognito can fight to the capability of Floyd Mayweather AND you hang out with Mayweather as much as Incognito/Martin do and you participate in the same occupation, it makes zero fucking sense. I'm sorry you have some deep seated guilt over being a bully. Sounds like you need to talk it out with someone.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I don't think bullying in this regard happens nearly as often as you think in the NFL. This is extortion, coercion, and a hate crime. This isn't your typical locker room bullying. Incognito isn't your typical locker room bully. He is certifiably insane by all accounts.

Martin is weak and soft, which is all the more reason why grown men shouldn't be bullying him like this.

Rookie ribbing happens every year...some guys catch the bug like Martin did and can't shake it...its not unheard of. Does it go to this extent? No. But rookies are often on the hook for meals and just general fuck-with-em kind of stuff. Every year. No rookie is exempt.

This extent...no. Close enough to warrant discussion...yes.

Most of these cases end very soon into a rookies career...or when the rookie/young player stands up for themselves. Martin, is soft...an intelligent dude, sure...but clearly not intelligent enough to know, that when you are in a room with Cro-Magnon men, you need to be accepted. Clearly, a guy, for as smart as he is, doesn't know he has to acclimate himself to the team. Yes, its an extreme case, but a guy that clearly has some social issues going on.

Am I blaming him, per se...no...but it is a two way street. Martin can't expect to be accepted without being treated like everyone else. On the same token, clearly, Incognito went too far.

[kmanharris]

Sounds like you're justifying the bullying because Martin didn't stand up for himself in a "reasonable" amount of time. "Reasonable" being highly subjective.

[Tailback U]

Rookie ribbing is different, though. This isn't rookie ribbing.

I like f16harm's explanation that I need to hang out with my bully in order to be able to defend myself from him, though.

So because Incognito isn't a "professional" fighter it means that he couldn't have possibly put Martin in the hospital?

You're a fucking jackass. If you're ever in northern california please let me know, I'd like to give you a swirly or two.

[f16harm]

According to Jeff Darlington (well respected beat guy in Miami):

-based on what he heard from Fins players and people in the organization was that nobody really thought what was happening was a big deal. Said that Martin never brought it up. Said that it doesn't make it ok that it was happening and that if Martin felt bullied that is all that matters.
-the prank pulled on Martin was the exact same prank pulled on Nate Garner last week. Said that Martin was in the group of linemen that got up and walked away when Gardner sat down. Said this has been an ongoing prank all season.
-entire Dolphins organization was blind sided by Martin walking out. Players in the locker room had no idea Martin was dealing with a bullying issue. Said coaches had no idea he felt this way as he never told them.
-said the Incognito and Martin hung out together in season and during the offseson. Said they would go to the same bars/night clubs together and that they live in the same area

[f16harm]

Rookie ribbing is different, though. This isn't rookie ribbing.

I like f16harm's explanation that I need to hang out with my bully in order to be able to defend myself from him, though.

You're a fucking jackass. If you're ever in northern california please let me know, I'd like to give you a swirly or two and see how hard you are.

No, but it would help if you knew how to work analogies.

It'll never happen, mostly because I think you're below me, and pretty much a young, bro' guy loser. And having seen you post pictures of what an Adonis you are, chances are you'd be disappointed in the ability to give me a swirly. "Good day."

[Tailback U]

According to Jeff Darlington (well respected beat guy in Miami):

-based on what he heard from Fins players and people in the organization was that nobody really thought what was happening was a big deal. Said that Martin never brought it up. Said that it doesn't make it ok that it was happening and that if Martin felt bullied that is all that matters.
-the prank pulled on Martin was the exact same prank pulled on Nate Garner last week. Said that Martin was in the group of linemen that got up and walked away when Gardner sat down. Said this has been an ongoing prank all season.

I don't think anyone thought this prank alone was a big deal. It's the other shit (Racial slurs, extortion, death threats, family threats, etc.) that is a big deal.

-entire Dolphins organization was blind sided by Martin walking out. Players in the locker room had no idea Martin was dealing with a bullying issue. Said coaches had no idea he felt this way as he never told them.

I call bullshit. Dolphins org and players are obviously going to say this so they don't look like jackasses. Let's not be idiots here. What do you expect them to say, "oh yeah we knew there was something going on and that Martin wasn't happy but we didn't really think anything of it"? Come on now.

-said the Incognito and Martin hung out together in season and during the offseson. Said they would go to the same bars/night clubs together and that they live in the same area

This doesn't really mean anything at all. I know a lot of bullies that hung out with weaker minded people to take advantage of them. The weaker person thinks the bully likes them, the bully manipulates the victim into thinking that they are actually friends, bully continues to take advantage of weakling until said weakling finally has enough.

Is Martin weak/soft? Yes, clearly. Does that make it ok? No. I think it's important to understand that people aren't like you or me. They aren't going to be able to respond like you would in this type of situation in order to put a stop to it.

[ram29jackson]

Among the texts that Jonathan Martin made available to his parents, and then, eventually the Dolphins and the NFL, include those in which Richie Incognito refers to Martin, who is biracial, as a "half-n*****," according to a source who was privy to the communication.

There are several instances of threats as well, the sources said, and overall disturbing exchanges, including one in which Incognito refers to defecating in Martin's mouth.

Incognito also made reference to tracking down members of Martin's family and harming them in the texts as well, according to a source.
In some instances, that kind of rhetoric might be shaken off or ignored, but, given the track record of incidents between Incognito and Martin, and how sustained it had become, Martin truly felt that Incognito might be capable of inflicting harm, and for his safety getting away from the team was in his best interests.

The NFL, apprised of the evidence, began upper-level meetings on the case this morning as it launches its investigation. People with access to some of the exchanges believe in time this situation could become a springboard for further policies and practices at the league-wide level in regards to hazing, verbal harassment and perhaps also stricter codes in terms of financial harassment and actions whereby rookies are required by veterans to pick up excessive tabs and bills as a rite of passage.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24186392/dolphins-harassment-case-text-from-incognito-to-martin-used-racial-slur

I hope he didn't include the word Redskin in any of his tweets

[bucky]

What's there to say? He doesn't want to fight a guy to make something end that shouldn't even be occurring in the first place. So he went and reported it. How is that wrong? Why is fighting the only acceptable way to handle this situation in your eyes?

Not to mention if Martin tried to fight, got his ass beat, there's no saying the threats and shit are going to stop. He already threatened to kill Martin.

Since he didn't fight you see him as less of a man. Makes a lot of sense.

And, it only takes one punch to kill someone. Even if it's unlikely, why take that chance on a life sentence in prison. Nobody should have to take a chance like this, just to stand up to a bully. Build evidence and report it to the right authorities. Safest thing to do.

EDIT: I played on a community baseball team when I was young, like many do. When I was 14ish, a kid died when a pitch hit him just right/or wrong in the temple.

[f16harm]

I don't think anyone thought this prank alone was a big deal. It's the other shit (Racial slurs, extortion, death threats, family threats, etc.) that is a big deal.



I call bullshit. Dolphins org and players are obviously going to say this so they don't look like jackasses. Let's not be idiots here. What do you expect them to say, "oh yeah we knew there was something going on and that Martin wasn't happy but we didn't really think anything of it"? Come on now.


This doesn't really mean anything at all. I know a lot of bullies that hung out with weaker minded people to take advantage of them.

Take it up with him, just passing along what he said on Joe Rose show:

https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington

[Tailback U]

No need to. He is just reporting the BS he is fed like a good reporter should.

[Tailback U]

Looks like I was actually wrong about Incognito.

He actually appears to be quite civilized, and enjoys playing croquet in his spare time.

http://deadspin.com/psa-features-richie-incognito-encouraging-fans-to-be-ci-1458188409

I owe the man an apology.

[Tailback U]

BTW, Richie Incognito has trained in MMA. Haven't found anything about Martin having any type of fighting background.

How do you feel about Martin stepping up to Incognito now, F16? Is it now ok that he didn't try to fight him off since Incognito has been trained in kickboxing, boxing, and wrestling?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sedano-says/2011/07/soliais-agent-on-contract-incognitos-offseason-workouts.html