FG kicking is too easy in the NFL, time for changes

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  • Maynard
    stupid ass titles
    • Feb 2009
    • 17876

    #16
    i like narrowing the posts. i wouldnt mind some changes that will motivate more coaches to go for it rather than kick a FG.

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    • Warner2BruceTD
      2011 Poster Of The Year
      • Mar 2009
      • 26142

      #17
      Originally posted by NAHSTE
      There was not a single extra point missed last season. I noted after the season that we should do away with the PAT.

      Exactly what curve are you ahead of, here?

      :offside:
      Good point. I agree, they will eliminate the PAT at some point, it will take away 3 or 4 needless contact plays per game. Same for kickoffs, those will be gone too, they're just waiting a few years to collect the touchback data with the new kickoff line to sell it to the public.

      Also, as noted by me two years ago, three point stance. Bump when they outlaw that. Already mumblings about that one floating around.

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      • jms493
        Junior Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 11248

        #18
        The ball is juiced!

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        • jms493
          Junior Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 11248

          #19
          If this is the case they need to raise the hoop in Basketball, no?

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          • dell71
            Enter Sandman
            • Mar 2009
            • 23919

            #20
            Food for Thought...

            Code:
            NFL|40-49yds|50+yds|Overall
            1992|58.0%|50.0%|72.6%
            1997|62.4%|67.6%|78.1%
            2002|64.3%|52.4%|77.5%
            2007|74.2%|47.3%|82.8%
            2008|74.5%|63.5%|84.5%
            2009|72.9%|52.9%|81.3%
            2010|73.2%|54.6%|82.3%
            2011|74.0%|64.3%|82.9%
            2012|80.2%|60.9%|83.9%
            2013|82.7%|65.2%|86.1%
            No surprise that kickers have been getting progressively better over the years.

            When did the rule change regarding the center? '12? Did any other rules that I'm not aware of go into effect concerning field goals? The sudden jump in accuracy from 40+ doesn't make sense otherwise. It's a much larger increase than we normally see from one year to the next.

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            • NAHSTE
              Probably owns the site
              • Feb 2009
              • 22233

              #21
              I can't remember - do the refs use a "K" ball for field goals or is that just kickoffs? It's long been suspected that those K balls are juiced to increase touchbacks. At this point the kickoff is just an extended commercial break, interrupted briefly by a ball flying into the first row of the stands and the announcer feigning amazement that "he almost knocked that one through the goalposts!" ...

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              • Warner2BruceTD
                2011 Poster Of The Year
                • Mar 2009
                • 26142

                #22
                Originally posted by dell71
                Food for Thought...

                Code:
                NFL|40-49yds|50+yds|Overall
                1992|58.0%|50.0%|72.6%
                1997|62.4%|67.6%|78.1%
                2002|64.3%|52.4%|77.5%
                2007|74.2%|47.3%|82.8%
                2008|74.5%|63.5%|84.5%
                2009|72.9%|52.9%|81.3%
                2010|73.2%|54.6%|82.3%
                2011|74.0%|64.3%|82.9%
                2012|80.2%|60.9%|83.9%
                2013|82.7%|65.2%|86.1%
                No surprise that kickers have been getting progressively better over the years.

                When did the rule change regarding the center? '12? Did any other rules that I'm not aware of go into effect concerning field goals? The sudden jump in accuracy from 40+ doesn't make sense otherwise. It's a much larger increase than we normally see from one year to the next.
                The large jump is partly due to the new wave of kickers i'm talking about.

                Tucker, Walsh, Greg The Leg, check the numbers, these guys do. not. miss. Forget about anything under 50. Those are allchip shots for these guys. They don't even miss from long range.

                This is why I say, within three years or so, every team will have a kicker like this. The position has evolved. 5% jump 50+ is enormous, as is a 3% jump overall. Soon, FG% will equal what PAT% was not too long ago. Guys were barely hitting 75% only ten years ago.

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                • Warner2BruceTD
                  2011 Poster Of The Year
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 26142

                  #23
                  Originally posted by NAHSTE
                  I can't remember - do the refs use a "K" ball for field goals or is that just kickoffs? It's long been suspected that those K balls are juiced to increase touchbacks. At this point the kickoff is just an extended commercial break, interrupted briefly by a ball flying into the first row of the stands and the announcer feigning amazement that "he almost knocked that one through the goalposts!" ...
                  Yeah man, we are in firm confirmation data collection mode when it comes to kickoffs. This is posturing until they outlaw the kickoff.

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                  • ram29jackson
                    Noob
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 0

                    #24
                    if kicking's so easy how come theres so few decent kickers in college ? one reason is schools pay little attention to specialized kicker training, a different sized ball and maybe less preciseness in the snap and holder training for all I know?.....it also seems odd to me that the angle is made harder in college than in the pro's.

                    but that still says to me its harder to find or just as hard to find a good kicker for the pro ranks as to find a QB. Its a highly specialized act that very few are willing to become the best at.

                    its not easy to do, its just made easier because its a solo act of man against ball instead of man on man so to speak.

                    the few that are good at it are really good...I don't think that means it needs to be made harder.

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                    • ram29jackson
                      Noob
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 0

                      #25
                      repost edit

                      Last edited by ram29jackson; 12-17-2013, 02:54 PM.

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                      • Villain
                        [REDACTED]
                        • May 2011
                        • 7768

                        #26
                        Kickers that miss field goals should be forced to have the biggest player on the other team kick them in the nuts.
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                        • Hasselbeck
                          Jus' bout dat action boss
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 6175

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                          This new wave of kickers entering the league the last couple of seasons is exponentially better than the previous gens. A couple of years from now every team will have a Tucker or Walsh or Greg The Leg. The position has evolved.

                          Let's face it, I tend to be ahead of the curve on most things NFL, bump this in two years when the league makes some sort of change.


                          This is hilarious. Not the notion the kicking rules will be changed, but that VSN will be here in 2 years.
                          Originally posted by ram29jackson
                          I already said months ago that Seattle wasn't winning any SB

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                          • ram29jackson
                            Noob
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 0

                            #28
                            2007


                            In 2006, they made 81.4 percent of their regular-season field-goal attempts. That broke the record of 81 percent, set in 2005, which broke the mark of 80.8 percent, set in 2004.

                            The N.F.L.’s Age of the Kicker has extended into this season’s playoffs; kickers have made 34 of 36 field-goal attempts — a 94.4 percent clip that is higher than the percentage of successful extra points 30 years ago.

                            Three of last weekend’s four second-round playoff games were decided by 3 points — two requiring late kicks to be settled — and the fourth featured no touchdowns but a 7-for-7 field-goal performance by the kickers.

                            In an era of parity in the N.F.L., when it seems that more and more games are being decided by field goals, more and more kicks are sailing between the uprights.

                            Each kick carries the National Football League toward a difficult question: Should anything be done about it?

                            “I imagine that it is something that will come up at our next session,” said John Mara, the Giants’ president and a member of the league’s competition committee. “But I can’t imagine enough sentiment to make any radical changes.”

                            The N.F.L. has long had an uneasy relationship with the players who put the foot in football. It has occasionally tried to slow their impact, but never with a lasting effect on accuracy. The upward trend has been so steady that the 18 best seasons for overall field-goal accuracy have come in the past 18 seasons.

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                            • Hasselbeck
                              Jus' bout dat action boss
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 6175

                              #29
                              Originally posted by ram29jackson
                              if kicking's so easy how come theres so few decent kickers in college ? one reason is schools pay little attention to specialized kicker training, a different sized ball and maybe less preciseness in the snap and holder training for all I know?.....it also seems odd to me that the angle is made harder in college than in the pro's.

                              but that still says to me its harder to find or just as hard to find a good kicker for the pro ranks as to find a QB. Its a highly specialized act that very few are willing to become the best at.

                              its not easy to do, its just made easier because its a solo act of man against ball instead of man on man so to speak.

                              the few that are good at it are really good...I don't think that means it needs to be made harder.
                              Kickers also hang out in the NFL until their late 30's/early 40's making the position easier to keep afloat. It's not like the quarterback position which in a good year has maybe half the league with good-great starters.

                              Thus if 4 or 5 good kickers materialize in the college ranks in a given year, that is plenty to keep the talent pool full of kickers in the NFL.
                              Originally posted by ram29jackson
                              I already said months ago that Seattle wasn't winning any SB

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                              • MVPete
                                Old School
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 17500

                                #30
                                It's been well known that most people that are hardcore wrestling fans, are also very much into Arena League football, so I understand the OP's POV here.

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