Dolphins Don Jones suspended for tweeting about Michael Sam

[bucky]

I have a hard time proving/disproving what God says.

I know.

If the argument centers around "prove to me that God didn't say this", then that should be evidence enough.

The argument centers around both "prove to me god didn't" and "prove to me god did". All depends on what side of the fence you sit on. Both sides have just as much provable evidence to back up their belief. I sit on the fence and don't tell either side they are wrong. But I do say oppression is wrong.

[Senser81]

The argument centers around both "prove to me god didn't" and "prove to me god did". All depends on what side of the fence you sit on. Both sides have just as much provable evidence to back up their belief. I sit on the fence and don't tell either side they are wrong. But I do say oppression is wrong.

My tolerance of gays is not based on what God said/didn't say. Its based on being a decent human being, and seeing no logical reason for hating gays other than ignorance/fear. I would HOPE that most/all ethical "dilemmas" aren't dependent on what God says.

[Argath]

My tolerance of gays is not based on what God said/didn't say. Its based on being a decent human being, and seeing no logical reason for hating gays other than ignorance/fear. I would HOPE that most/all ethical "dilemmas" aren't dependent on what God says.

they're taking our jerbs

[NAHSTE]

After reading this thread I wish VSN were more intolerant of idiotic opinions.

Alas...

[Aso]

You can't prove a negative. Prove to me unicorns don't exist. And what provable evidence is there towards what God did and didn't say? A book that was written possibly a hundred years after his death? This thread has become painfully stupid.

[bucky]

Yes. And I would hope ethics would win out in any case of suppressing hatred and ignorance. Its like you view the tolerance of gays as being "unethical", because it "suppresses" the "argument/opinion" of those who are intolerant of gays. As if the world would be worse if intolerant opinions were suppressed.

Weird!

A belief is neither tolerant or intolerant. Intolerance comes when belief turns into oppression. Then there is the question of whether you're tolerating something that is right or wrong. To me, if something can't be proven to be wrong, ethically, you must show tolerance. You still have the right to belief it's wrong. When belief is factually proven to be true or false, the question of it's tolerance is unquestionably answered.

You are confusing belief with the act of oppression.

[NAHSTE]

You can't prove a negative. Prove to me unicorns don't exist. And what provable evidence is there towards what God did and didn't say? A book that was written possibly a hundred years after his death? This thread has become painfully stupid.

Why are we even debating this? It doesn't fucking matter, it's not pertinent to this thread. If the NFL says don't tweet stuff that makes us look bad, NFL employees can either comply or not comply and be dealt with accordingly.

[bucky]

Don Jones was fired????

When???

We had a processing lady get fired because she would talk about everyone's expenses after she processed them. She didn't even say "Horrible", and what she said was "factual". Amazing, huh?

Youk was asking about getting fired. Try and keep up.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I don't recall me saying that to Bucky, so you probably should check yourself before you wreck yourself, yo.

It was the team of YOUKSTE. I think its reasonable to lump you two together.




On a side note it amazes me that two guys kissing for second in the 7th round can be a big deal when we spent Day 1 watching Gruden give Manziel a blowjob for 21 picks.

[Youk]

[bucky]

My tolerance of gays is not based on what God said/didn't say.

Others beliefs on homosexuality are based on what God said. You are no more right or wrong then they are until you can prove their God doesn't exist or that their God does and didn't say gay is a sin. They are no more right or wrong than you until they can prove their god does exist and did say gay is a sin.

Its based on being a decent human being,

So is theirs based on being a decent human being.

and seeing no logical reason for hating gays other than ignorance/fear.

You're wrongfully equating morality and hate. A religion defining morality for it's followers, defining sin, is not the same thing as hate.

I would HOPE that most/all ethical "dilemmas" aren't dependent on what God says.

I do too. I don't believe in God.

[bucky]

You can't prove a negative. Prove to me unicorns don't exist. And what provable evidence is there towards what God did and didn't say? A book that was written possibly a hundred years after his death? This thread has become painfully stupid.

That's the point. There is no provable evidence one way or the other. The fight isn't with the belief. People have a right to believe. The real fight is with the acts of oppression. And right now, our Govt has legislation that is oppressive toward homosexuals. That's were the fight should start. Get our Fed. Govt to step in and take the question of gay marriage out of the sate level. Anything to do with oppression should be a federal issue.

[bucky]

Why are we even debating this? It doesn't fucking matter, it's not pertinent to this thread. If the NFL says don't tweet stuff that makes us look bad, NFL employees can either comply or not comply and be dealt with accordingly.

Of course it matters. It's a question of ethics.

[Youk]

Of course it matters. It's a question of ethics.

You're right. Every company is ethically wrong for having a public relations department.

[bucky]

You're right. Every company is ethically wrong for having a public relations department.

Only if the function of a company's public relations department is to oppress.