Winston declaring for the NFL Draft

[NAHSTE]

Way to go out on a limb there Nostradmus

I mean, have you read this entire thread?

[dave]

Winston doesn't get questions for on the field necessarily. His is mainly off the field for overwhelming stupidity.

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How's that worked out for Josh Gordon - a stud on the field.

[buckeye]

How's that worked out for Josh Gordon - a stud on the field.

It hasnt, that is the sticking point with Winston. If he continues to be a dumbass his career will be short.

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[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

I would go ahead and paste every quote from this week where NFL personnel guys who have been raving about his IQ, that they were "blown away" by his X's and O's knowledge, but you know what they say about arguing with fools.

Anyway, he's going #1 overall and VSN remains an echo chamber for idiots.

Quote something from almost 2 months ago, and use something that just came out this week to try and prove somebody wrong. You just have insane football knowledge, great job!

[dave]

It hasnt, that is the sticking point with Winston. If he continues to be a dumbass his career will be short.

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That was kinda my point.

[NAHSTE]

Quote something from almost 2 months ago, and use something that just came out this week to try and prove somebody wrong. You just have insane football knowledge, great job!

Wait, it just came out this week that Jameis has a high football IQ? Oh, I see.

So you were right about him in your post from January 10, but between then and now he somehow learned enough about football to impress at the combine? Or ... did you just say something dumb and were subsequently proven wrong?

I told you that you were wrong about your criticisms of the mental aspect of his game the day you made that post. I just felt it was a timely opportunity to bring it back up since the thread had been bumped.

[x0xHumblex0x]

his personal life will get in the way.......
if he goes #1 or even top 10, he will be watched like a fucking hawk.
media will eat him up with every chance they get, cuz thats what they do.

[NAHSTE]

Just gonna drop this here...

[CCBrink]

The hype begins

[SuperKevin]

lol at comparing Jameis Winston to Josh Gordon. Their situations are not even remotely similar. Josh Gordon has extreme issues with substance abuse while Jameis has some maturity issues that can easily be corrected.

[buckeye]

The fact that we are considering sexual assault to be a sign of immaturity or not as serious as substance abuse is absolutely laughable....

http://deadspin.com/scout-on-jameis-winston-how-could-you-let-that-guy-in-1687429263?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Scout On Jameis Winston: "How Could You Let That Guy In The Building?"
Winston or Mariota? "This is the most important pick, potentially, in the history of the franchise," Buccaneers GM Jason Licht told The MMQB. Of course, only one of those guys comes with his own baggage train.

("Baggage" here being a flagrantly non-descriptive euphemism for sexual-assault allegations, plus a host of minor transgressions. Get used to it, because no one involved wants to talk about Jameis Winston's off-the-field history in anything but the blandest of terms. Here, let me blockquote an example.)

"Bad guy or immaturity?" Licht said. "I'm leaning toward the latter."
Licht isn't about to tip Tampa Bay's hand, but the opinions of scouts since the start of the combine seem to have coalesced around Winston as the more promising of the two quarterbacks who could go No. 1. Though these things always have a hint of the herd mentality, it's not exactly clear what did it. Was it Winston looking fat, but turning out not to be? Was it a test on Winston's throwing shoulder, looking for the cause of potential weakness, reportedly showing nothing? Was it going nearly 10 months without running afoul of the law?

Was it Winston—confident, comfortable, easygoing—charming the media at his press conference on Friday? "I want to let you all know, I know I've made mistakes, and I know I have a past," Winston said. (More euphemisms.)

Speaking on the phone with Peter King, Winston says he welcomes the scrutiny of his track record—not because all of it is already out there, but because he thinks it'll show him in a better light.

"They're really going to find out the type of person I am. Character is not about what you do when you're around people. Character is what you show when no one is looking. I believe if they do a hard, hard investigation into Jameis the person, they will find out that I'm a good guy."
One unnamed scout is not so certain. Via the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's Bob McGinn:

"Someone will take him in the first round, but how could you even let that guy in the building?" another scout said. "The second law of thermodynamics basically is the more ways something can happen, the more likely it is to happen. That's true of players. The more ways they can (expletive) up, the more chances they (expletive) up. This guy's got a lot of stuff that would lean him more likely to be a bust than a good player."
Implicit in all of this dwelling on Winston's odds of shooting himself in the foot is that most think he'll be a better quarterback than Mariota, which I guess has more to do with his experience in a pro-style offense than the fact that he didn't look particularly good in 2014, and that against largely mediocre opponents. But it's dangerous to try to project just from college results (to say nothing of combine performance), so look forward to two months of character analysis

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[SuperKevin]

Was Winston found guilty? Did it even go to trial?

[buckeye]

Does it ever really?

Let's not start making excuses for a guy who has been in shit loads of trouble. We aren't here to hug trees, we are here to discuss sports and this is a huge issue in sports. Let's not make excuses for the guy. It's obvious that everyone else already seems to be.

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[x0xHumblex0x]

Was Winston found guilty? Did it even go to trial?

was Ray Rice found guilty?

[SuperKevin]

was Ray Rice found guilty?

Do you happen to have Jameis Winston on videotape?