30 for 30: Catching Hell

[FirstTimer]

Anyone see this last night on ESPN?

Pretty interesting look at the entire Bartman incident.

All the Red Sox stuff in there was odd...I get tying it into the Bartman incident a bit but IMO way too much time was spent on the Red Sox/Buckner play. I think the first 15 minutes of the show was all about Buckner and '86...then a good portion of the last 15 was.

All the different camera shots of the play were neat as well as them talking with people around Bartman. Interesting to see the owner of the Abby Pub on there because I had just watched that episode of Bar Rescue not long ago.

 

[EmpireWF]

It was interesting hearing from the security people and even the ESPN.com writer who was told to track Bartman down, did and shared a brief conversation with him.

Think the documentary was more about scapegoats as a whole more than just specifically geared towards Bartman. Plus, since he doesn't do interviews they needed to fill time.

 

[FirstTimer]

The show also made me hate Cubs fans/sports fans in general.

people yelling to "put a 12 gauge in his(Bartman's) mouth and pull the trigger" was disgusting.

 

[Woy]

I share the exact same thoughts, FT. I feel they spent too much time with the Buckner stuff (although it was still interesting, I was sitting there asking myself if I was watching the right documentary) and the dialogue of the angry Cubs fans was pathetic.

Overall it was very solid, but I probably wouldn't put it in my top 5 for ESPN's documentaries.

 

[FirstTimer]

I share the exact same thoughts, FT. I feel they spent too much time with the Buckner stuff (although it was still interesting, I was sitting there asking myself if I was watching the right documentary) and the dialogue of the angry Cubs fans was pathetic.

Overall it was very solid, but I probably wouldn't put it in my top 5 for ESPN's documentaries.

Agreed.

After the first 15 minutes I was actually starting to ask myself "When are they actually going to cover the Bartman stuff?'

I lul'd whenBartman's friends ditched him after the game.

The lawyers who wrote the 180 page report on the incident were losers.

It really sucks Bartman won't give interviews but at the same time what is he supposed to say?

Also, Gov. Blago's reaction to the thing just smacked of pandering and lameness. Also I thought Dusty did a terrible disservice to Bartman in his post game press conference. That's when as the leader/manager of the team you go up there and say we lost the game because of what we did, not because of some fan. But of course in typical Dusty fashion he says it was for sure fan itnerference, it was a large reason they lost, and that Bartman was maybe a Marlin's fan?

Fuck that.

 

[FedEx227]

Hated, hated, hated that they even made mention of curses and the Boston connection was too much. I'd say a good 30-40% of the doc was about the Red Sox. There was more than enough to talk about without adding them in. Make a passing to them but don't make them the focus.

I know the angle they were going for, it just didn't work.

Way, way too much curse talk though and done in the lowest common denominator way.

"Curses don't exist.... but I mean Bartman did wave to the camera on an extremely wide shot so he almost waved to the gods....Bernie Mac AND BUCKNER HAD A CUBS BATTING GLOVE... curses don't exist but I MEAN THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT"

Otherwise the footage they got was awesome, they really did a good job of breaking it down from a television production standpoint as well. I enjoyed it, I just felt they could've left out curses and the Boston connection.

 

[Bomberooski]

Available online anywhere?

 

[FedEx227]

And yes Cubs fans didn't really endear themselves well in that doc at all.

 

[FirstTimer]

Hated, hated, hated that they even made mention of curses and the Boston connection was too much. I'd say a good 30-40% of the doc was about the Red Sox. There was more than enough to talk about without adding them in. Make a passing to them but don't make them the focus.

I know the angle they were going for, it just didn't work.

Way, way too much curse talk though and done in the lowest common denominator way.

"Curses don't exist.... but I mean Bartman did wave to the camera on an extremely wide shot so he almost waved to the gods....Bernie Mac AND BUCKNER HAD A CUBS BATTING GLOVE... curses don't exist but I MEAN THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT"

Otherwise the footage they got was awesome, they really did a good job of breaking it down from a television production standpoint as well. I enjoyed it, I just felt they could've left out curses and the Boston connection.

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I'm not wild about the doc. I have it on DVR and I can see myself fast forwarding through some long stretches of it.

I hated the curse stuff. Then the ESPN writer who said the Cubs had been "good" for most of his life I was like "WTF?" Assuming the guy is 30 the Cubs have made the playoffs 6 times in his lifetime. And been REALLY bad in between those appearances.

I see the angle they were trying to go for too, but they went for it too hard and it got bogged down in a bunch of Red Sox shit.

It amazes me to this day that people still blame Bartman for it and take it as a fact that Alou would have made the catch. However after seeing the footage a lot last night I'm thinking he may have had it. Not that it matters. As Gonzo still booted the grounder etc and Prior was getting ROCKED. Oh yeah, and the Cubs had already failed to clinch in Game 5. And then choked a lead away in Game 7.

Seeing the footage broken down and concentrating on the fans around Bartman I thought was a great touch and angle as whenever you watch that footage you always go right to Bartman/Alou.

 

[EmpireWF]

Imagining going to watch your team in the playoffs, hoping they clinch a pennant, something goes wrong and you essentially have to abandon your life as you know it.

Crazy.

 

[Goober]

Imagining going to watch your team in the playoffs, hoping they clinch a pennant, something goes wrong and you essentially have to abandon your life as you know it.

Crazy.

Yeah but Bartman did something insanely stupid. Anyone with half a brain knows to stay the fuck out of the way when your team is trying to field a ball.

 

[FedEx227]

Yeah but Bartman did something insanely stupid. Anyone with half a brain knows to stay the fuck out of the way when your team is trying to field a ball.

:fedor:

You have like 5 seconds to react. Most people would've (and did) reach for a foul ball in what was potentially a clinching National League championship game for the Cubs.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yeah but Bartman did something insanely stupid. Anyone with half a brain knows to stay the fuck out of the way when your team is trying to field a ball.

:lolwut:

 

[moneyman255]

Because it's Bartman's fault that the Cubs blew like a 4 run lead or whatever it was. (sarcasm)

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yeah but Bartman did something insanely stupid. Anyone with half a brain knows to stay the fuck out of the way when your team is trying to field a ball.

I wouldn't call it "insanely stupid", he reacted on instinct.

 

[DJ Rhude]

Crazy, Jeffrey Maier because his fan interference helped the Yankees, was made a national hero in NY

It's okay to interfere as long as you don't penalize the home team, nice message that sends

I felt bad for Bartman when it happened, Cub fans took that shit way too serious

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I can see booing the guy out of the building, maybe a few days of anger, but after that it's time to lay off. The death threats and chasing the guy into hiding is obviously bullshit.

 

[FedEx227]

Crazy, Jeffrey Maier because his fan interference helped the Yankees, was made a national hero in NY

It's okay to interfere as long as you don't penalize the home team, nice message that sends

I felt bad for Bartman when it happened, Cub fans took that shit way too serious

Rhude good work on that Nas mixtape. Loved it.

 

[FedEx227]

I can see booing the guy out of the building, maybe a few days of anger, but after that it's time to lay off. The death threats and chasing the guy into hiding is obviously bullshit.

I can see some initial booing but why not turn to the million dollar dudes on the field that are shitting themselves.

 

[DJ Rhude]

Rhude good work on that Nas mixtape. Loved it.

Thanks Fedex!