Anderson Silva is the greatest MMA fighter ever

[CrimsonGhost56]

Prove me wrong

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

*obligatory*

 

[EmpireWF]

 

[stevsta]

 

 

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From the other day

lol, that's just me being me, I am a And1 fan, but it's some what valid, let's take a quick look, also, I don't think I ever have siad HMC was a quality win or even a good win, that doesnt sound like me

Let's look at And1 vs Fedor 'quality' wins or 'best' wins and break them down

Silva's greatest win is Hendo easily, which is an awesome win and he finished him, after that I'm not really sure who his next 'great' win is

We have Franklin X2, Marquardt, Vitor? Chael? or a LHW Forrest fight

The MW division IMO and many others have always said it's been weak, even when people say the HW division is the weakest, I disagree, I believe MW has less elite level guys than HW, but probably just more 'good' guys, actually his 2nd best win was probably against Hayato Sakurai back in the day, who is much smaller than And1

Fedor has 3 elite level wins, Nog X2 and Cro Cop, but all 3 decisions, after that you have AA, one of the Coleman wins, Herrings and Big Tim

Anyway, it's not that big a deal anymore, And1 has passed Fedor on the all time list, both same age and Fedor has lost 2 in a row

Actually, It's pretty hard to figure out who is the GOAT now, it might be Silva by default, I still don't like his comp, but Fedor drops out, GSP has probably the best wins but he can't finish anyone, so it's probably Silva at this point

From my list, yours and shoguns we can elimanate a couple

Shogun is the best LHW to this point, so chuck and wand are knocked off, Hughes was there but GSP is better, so he is off, so only guys are

And1
Fedor
GSP
Hendo
Shogun
I can see Penn for his upper weight success also

And than it's Saku, Frank, Royce and maybe Bas of the old schoolers

 

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Hendo now has wins over the 2 greatest HWs of all time, that's amazing

 

[SHOGUN]

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

when silva boxes up and destroys okami will that change your opinion rob?

 

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when silva boxes up and destroys okami will that change your opinion rob?

not really, I like Okami and I'm picking him, but is Okami something special?

Anyway, I have And1 pretty much at number 1 right now, it's still up for debate if you take other things into consideration

You can argue that Hendo is right there, of course head to head matters and makes And1 higher, but he has done more outside of his weight class and his losses are not as bad as Silva's

Plus, old school guys are looked at differently

 

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Silva suffers from the Roy Jones Jr thing, no one really 'great' to elavate him, like I said, Hendo is his best win BY FAR

Ali had Frazier, Foreman, etc...Silva is either just so much better or you look and say his comp wasnt always amazing like RJJ

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

so basically Silva has to fight GSP

 

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so basically Silva has to fight GSP

not really, Silva is the bigger man, he would have to move up again, fight would do more for GSP than Silva

but anyway, Silva as of now more than likely is the GOAT, I just question most of his comp when we are spiltting hairs on these topics

 

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Win Fedor Emelianenko TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Henderson 7/30/2011 1 4:12
Win Rafael Cavalcante TKO (Punches) Strikeforce - Feijao vs. Henderson 3/5/2011 3 0:50
Win Renato Sobral KO (Punches) Strikeforce - Henderson vs. Babalu 2 12/4/2010 1 1:53
Loss Jake Shields Decision (Unanimous) Strikeforce - Nashville 4/17/2010 5 5:00
Win Michael Bisping KO (Punch) UFC 100 - Lesnar vs. Mir 2 7/11/2009 2 3:20
Win Rich Franklin Decision (Split) UFC 93 - Franklin vs. Henderson 1/17/2009 3 5:00
Win Rousimar Palhares Decision (Unanimous) UFC 88 - Breakthrough 9/6/2008 3 5:00
Loss Anderson Silva Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) UFC 82 - Pride of a Champion 3/1/2008 2 4:52
Loss Quinton Jackson Decision (Unanimous) UFC 75 - Champion vs. Champion 9/8/2007 5 5:00
Win Wanderlei Silva KO (Punches) PRIDE 33 - Second Coming 2/24/2007 3 2:08
Win Vitor Belfort Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 3 5:00
Loss Kazuo Misaki Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Bushido 12 8/26/2006 2 5:00
Win Kazuo Misaki Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Bushido 10 4/2/2006 2 5:00
Win Murilo Bustamante Decision (Split) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 2 5:00
Win Akihiro Gono KO (Punch) PRIDE - Bushido 9 9/25/2005 1 7:58
Win Ryo Chonan KO (Punch) PRIDE - Bushido 9 9/25/2005 1 0:22
Loss Antonio Rogerio Nogueira Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2005 4/23/2005 1 8:05
Win Yuki Kondo Decision (Split) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
Win Kazuhiro Nakamura TKO (Shoulder Injury) PRIDE 28 - High Octane 10/31/2004 1 1:15
Win Murilo Bustamante TKO (Punches) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2003 11/9/2003 1 0:53
Win Shungo Oyama TKO (Punches) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 1 3:28
Loss Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 24 - Cold Fury 3 12/23/2002 3 1:49
Loss Ricardo Arona Decision (Split) PRIDE 20 - Armed and Ready 4/28/2002 3 5:00
Win Murilo Rua Decision (Split) PRIDE 17 - Championship Chaos 11/3/2001 3 5:00
Win Akira Shoji TKO (Punches and Knees) PRIDE 14 - Clash of the Titans 5/27/2001 3 3:18
Win Renzo Gracie KO (Punch) PRIDE 13 - Collision Course 3/25/2001 1 1:40
Loss Wanderlei Silva Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 12 - Cold Fury 12/9/2000 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Majority) Rings - King of Kings 1999 Final 2/26/2000 2 5:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Split) Rings - King of Kings 1999 Final 2/26/2000 3 5:00
Win Gilbert Yvel Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 1999 Final 2/26/2000 2 5:00
Win Hiromitsu Kanehara Decision (Majority) Rings - King of Kings 1999 Block A 10/28/1999 2 5:00
Win Bakouri Gogitidze Submission (Knee to the Ribs) Rings - King of Kings 1999 Block A 10/28/1999 1 2:17
Win Carlos Newton Decision (Split) UFC 17 - Redemption 5/15/1998 1 15:00
Win Allan Goes Decision (Unanimous) UFC 17 - Redemption 5/15/1998 1 15:00
Win Eric Smith Technical Submission (Guillotine Choke) Brazil Open - '97 6/15/1997 1 0:30
Win Crezio de Souza TKO (Punches) Brazil Open - '97 6/15/1997 1 5:25

 

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Hendo vs Chonan

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlWyfz7cMoY[/ame]

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

LOL @ posting Hendo vs Chonan, awesome.

 

[Liquidrob]

Hendo and Silva's record against like comp

Franklin

Hendo - Split Decision Win
And1 - TKO Win X2

Belfort

Hendo - Split Decision Win
And1 - TKO Win

Chonan

Hendo - TKO Win
And1 - Sub LOSS

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

The Chonan loss trumps any edge Anderson has against the other 2.

 

[EmpireWF]

Anderson also ended Mach's something like 20 fight undefeated streak.

 

[Point Blank]

He's a blackie

 

[Liquidrob]

I very underrated not talked about much win for Hendo was over Murilo Bustamante , he finished Bustamante

This is the same guy many thought beat Chuck, clearly a bad decision, left the UFC as the MW champ, lost a split to Rampage who many thought won and than Dan TKO's him, Dan has great wins