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Big Least to expand to 10 teams

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BRACK FRIDAY BUNDURU!!!!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5756898

I honestly just think they should offer TCU and tell ND to be "all in" or boot them out of the conference all together...

Big East presidents agreed in a meeting on Tuesday that it would be in their best interests to increase its football membership from eight to ten members, the conference said.

"Today, our Board of Directors affirmed a set of key strategic initiatives, including expansion, designed to enhance membership stability and maximize our value," Big East commissioner John Marinatto said in a statement.

Marinatto said the conference will refrain from commenting further on the expansion process.

League sources indicated to ESPN.com Big East reporter Brian Bennett that TCU and Central Florida are the top possible outside candidates, along with Villanova. The Big East would prefer to bring in schools as football-only members so as to not add to the 16-team basketball alignment. The question for TCU is whether the Horned Frogs would be willing to join only for football, since the Mountain West likely would not allow them to stay in that conference for other sports. The issue for UCF is possible opposition from potential rival South Florida.

The conference informed Villanova shortly before Labor Day that it wanted to add the Wildcats to the football roster. Villanova currently plays in the Colonial Athletic Association in FCS and is ranked third in the FCS coaches' poll. Villanova won a national championship last year and is considering a move up to the Football Bowl Subdivision. If it does, that will fill one of the Big East's spots.

"Our football evaluation is ongoing," Villanova AD Vince Nicastro told The Associated Press. "We are moving forward as quickly as we can, but not at the expense of being absolutely thorough. We still don't have a specific decision date, but it is likely to be resolved sometime during this academic year."

Villanova, which made the Final Four in 2009, has been part of the Big East basketball conference since 1980.

The Wildcats have played at the second-tier level since 1985 and rejected an earlier offer to join the Big East in 1997. Connecticut accepted an invitation that season to start the process to move up to what was known as Division I-A.

Sources told Bennett that "all the usual suspects" were discussed at Tuesday's meeting, and that the league has been researching potential new members for months. Former Big East member Temple is a possible backup plan if Villanova decided not to move up because the Owls play in an NFL stadium (Lincoln Financial Field) and have a home for their other teams in the Atlantic 10. Houston is further down the list, while Memphis is not being seriously considered at this time.

While Texas schools like Houston and TCU seem like an odd fit geographically, it would allow the Big East to tap into huge television markets, as well as fertile recruiting territory.

The Big East is currently the smallest BCS football conference. Officials did not say how expansion would affect the 16-team basketball alignment.

The move raises the idea that expansion could lead to a split between basketball-only schools and the football members. Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Rutgers, Louisville, West Virginia, USF, Connecticut and Cincinnati all play football.

Non-football members such as Villanova also include St. John's, Seton Hall, Marquette, DePaul, Providence and Notre Dame.
 
ND is in no position to be dictating much these days. Their light gets dimmer each [passing year.
 
Why is TCU not in the Big 12?
Basically.. TCU feels Baylor cockblocked them from getting into the Big XII when it was formed and they have remained bitter ever since. So much so, they are said to not want any part of a conference with Baylor in it.

When the Big 12 was rumored to basically be pillaged by the Pac 10.. and the Mountain West was likely going to scoop up the remains to form a decent football conference/mega basketball conference.. TCU was going to be one of the schools that would not support Baylor being added to the conference.

Long story short, TCU hates Baylor and would only join the Big 12 if Baylor weren't in the Big 12.
 
Basically.. TCU feels Baylor cockblocked them from getting into the Big XII when it was formed and they have remained bitter ever since. So much so, they are said to not want any part of a conference with Baylor in it.

When the Big 12 was rumored to basically be pillaged by the Pac 10.. and the Mountain West was likely going to scoop up the remains to form a decent football conference/mega basketball conference.. TCU was going to be one of the schools that would not support Baylor being added to the conference.

Long story short, TCU hates Baylor and would only join the Big 12 if Baylor weren't in the Big 12.

Yeah, IIRC the Texas governor at the time the Big12 was formed went to Baylor, and he/she would only support the Big12 if Baylor was allowed in.

But that was years ago, so TCU refusing to join the Big12 due to Baylor is like cutting off one's nose to spite their face, or, as BlyGilmore once said, "cutting off your nose inspite of your face".
 
I don't know what the situation is currently like, but the Big East hasn't given ND an ultimatum because some of their bowl contracts are dependent on ND being a possible selection in lieu of a BE team. If they kick ND out entirely, they potentially lose those contracts and bowl opportunities. However, given ND's recent history and the current bowl lineup for the BE, I'm not sure it would be much of a big deal now compared to 5 years ago.

Another thing to consider is that ND is pretty successful in their other Big East affiliated sports. The BE would be losing some good teams if they kicked ND out.
 
Basically.. TCU feels Baylor cockblocked them from getting into the Big XII when it was formed and they have remained bitter ever since. So much so, they are said to not want any part of a conference with Baylor in it.

When the Big 12 was rumored to basically be pillaged by the Pac 10.. and the Mountain West was likely going to scoop up the remains to form a decent football conference/mega basketball conference.. TCU was going to be one of the schools that would not support Baylor being added to the conference.

Long story short, TCU hates Baylor and would only join the Big 12 if Baylor weren't in the Big 12.


I'm surprised TCU wouldn't want to be in the Big 12 with Baylor to kick Baylor's ass every time they played.
 
I don't know what the situation is currently like, but the Big East hasn't given ND an ultimatum because some of their bowl contracts are dependent on ND being a possible selection in lieu of a BE team. If they kick ND out entirely, they potentially lose those contracts and bowl opportunities. However, given ND's recent history and the current bowl lineup for the BE, I'm not sure it would be much of a big deal now compared to 5 years ago.

Another thing to consider is that ND is pretty successful in their other Big East affiliated sports. The BE would be losing some good teams if they kicked ND out.

football is the only sport the BE cares about as it pertains to this argument... if they kick out ND all together and add TCU, yes the other sports lose some good teams from ND, but they gain one of the better football teams in the land, which IMO is an ample trade off...
 
I don't know what the situation is currently like, but the Big East hasn't given ND an ultimatum because some of their bowl contracts are dependent on ND being a possible selection in lieu of a BE team. If they kick ND out entirely, they potentially lose those contracts and bowl opportunities. However, given ND's recent history and the current bowl lineup for the BE, I'm not sure it would be much of a big deal now compared to 5 years ago.

Another thing to consider is that ND is pretty successful in their other Big East affiliated sports. The BE would be losing some good teams if they kicked ND out.

Yes, the Big East is fucked without ND women's hoops. FUCKED.
 
football is the only sport the BE cares about as it pertains to this argument... if they kick out ND all together and add TCU, yes the other sports lose some good teams from ND, but they gain one of the better football teams in the land, which IMO is an ample trade off...

Yes, the Big East is fucked without ND women's hoops. FUCKED.

Thanks for ignoring the main point that some of the bowls that the Big East has been able to land is because there is an option for those bowl committees to select Notre Dame over a BE team. Bowls provide a big chunk of revenue for any conference, and since ND hasn't been taking any berths from the BE lately, they're getting the better end of these deals. I don't see much benefit from getting rid of ND.
 
Thanks for ignoring the main point that some of the bowls that the Big East has been able to land is because there is an option for those bowl committees to select Notre Dame over a BE team. Bowls provide a big chunk of revenue for any conference, and since ND hasn't been taking any berths from the BE lately, they're getting the better end of these deals. I don't see much benefit from getting rid of ND.

i ignored b/c it really isnt a valid point: ND does little to "help" the BE garner bowl tie ins... besides, the only bowl tie in they have in common with the BE is the Champs Sports Bowl, and i think they can only choose ND once every three or four years... more so, TCU might help the BE get even better bowl tie ins, most especially ones in TX and CA...
 
Thanks for ignoring the main point that some of the bowls that the Big East has been able to land is because there is an option for those bowl committees to select Notre Dame over a BE team. Bowls provide a big chunk of revenue for any conference, and since ND hasn't been taking any berths from the BE lately, they're getting the better end of these deals. I don't see much benefit from getting rid of ND.

The Big East already has their bowl tie-in...they don't really need Notre Dame, unless Notre Dame is going to get them an additional tie-in, which I highly doubt. Notre Dame already has their 'special' bowl tie-in, so they don't need the Big East's help, either. What you are saying makes no sense. Neither side would benefit.
 
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