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Brewers need to trade Greinke

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Jake Odorizzi, the Brewers' first-round supplemental pick in the 2008 draft, is putting up scary good numbers with a 95-mph fastball at Class AAA Omaha.

The Kansas City Royals could bring him up now, but why rush a 22-year-old right-hander who could be a rotation centerpiece for years to come?

Outfielder Lorenzo Cain is on the disabled list with the Royals. Jeremy Jeffress is on the Omaha roster with Odorizzi.

The Royals' Alcides Escobar is, along with Baltimore's J.J. Hardy, one of the American League's better shortstops.

Today's theme could be why the Brewers, who once had Escobar and Hardy, have found themselves in such a pickle at shortstop. But as a discerning Brewers fan, you know where this is headed.

Dec. 19, 2010, was a fairly important day in Wisconsin sports history. Green Bay played at New England that Sunday night; it would be the last game the Packers would lose that season on the way to a Super Bowl championship.

That same morning, the Brewers traded Odorizzi, Cain, Jeffress and Escobar to the Royals for Zack Greinke and Yuniesky Betancourt, another former Brewers shortstop (coincidently back with the Royals) who looks somewhat better in retrospect. But that is another story for another day.

This is all about Greinke, one of the game's leading pitchers who threw eight innings without a decision Sunday against the Twins.

Two questions:

Considering all that the Brewers gave up for Greinke, and especially how Odorizzi has developed and Escobar is still everything you knew he would be, was the trade worthwhile?

Of course it was. Greinke helped the Brewers win a division championship, their first in the National League and only their second in franchise history. In pro sports, the object is to win now and deal with the consequences later, particularly when you are the Brewers.

But now that the bill is coming due on Greinke, the other question is whether the Brewers should trade him before he becomes a free agent at the end of the season.

Even if the whole National League Central wears clown shoes and theoretically there is enough time for this Maryvale version of the Brewers to do something, it is almost impossible to envision Greinke still being here by the end of the trading deadline.

There was a time when I thought the Brewers had a chance to re-sign Greinke, just the kind of guy to give up a few million after-tax dollars for the sake of his personal comfort. His social-anxiety disorder and the low-pressure, small-town vibe of Milwaukee seemed like an ideal match at something close to market price.

Then, three events changed everything.

Just before the regular season began, San Francisco right-hander Matt Cain signed a $127 million extension, setting the bar far beyond the means of the revenue-limited Brewers.

If CC Sabathia and Prince Fielder were laughably out of range, Greinke is going to be more than a couple of yucks out of reach in a game without a salary cap.

Next, all those injuries took the Brewers out of contention. Only a team with a legitimate chance could keep Greinke at the risk of losing him without compensation.

Finally, the Revenge of Ned pretty much assured that the Brewers would be among the many sellers at the trading deadline. Lose three to the Royals and you basically forfeit any pretension of seriousness.

Trading Greinke would be the white flag that no fan of a 3-million-drawing, $100 million payroll team would want to see hoisted, but the discerning among them would see the opportunity in moving an unaffordable player for prospects.

To make the playoffs twice in four years, the Brewers had to literally mortgage the farm. Their minor-league system, once one of baseball's best, was cleaned out for Greinke and, among others, Shaun Marcum, who isn't coming back. Brett Lawrie, the other '08 first-round pick with Odorizzi, has the potential to be a star with the Blue Jays.

Baseball moves in cycles, and now would be the time for the Brewers to begin restocking their future. A team that believes it is one pitcher away from the World Series would give up a lot for Greinke.

General manager Doug Melvin has always said he likes the challenges associated with small-market personnel moves. Maybe his biggest challenge yet would be finding another Odorizzi and Lawrie and more for Greinke as the Brewers evolve through their next cycle.

Look at it this way. Since shocking the game by trading for Sabathia in '08, the Brewers have set baseball on its ear by becoming buyers in a big-boy-pants market. It was an unnatural state that had an expiration date, which is pretty much now. The sooner the Brewers replenish their farm system, the sooner they can get back into the game.

Almost two years ago, the Brewers did the right thing by going for it when they could. As unpalatable as trading Greinke would seem, getting a similar return on what they gave up for him would help move the Brewers in that direction.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brew...-need-to-trade-greinke-3t5q7k6-159372875.html

This article is full of so much win. First, hilarious to see the Brewers' media already mailing this season in. Second, that this writer expects getting a similar return to what they gave up, when the team trading for Greinke is getting just a couple months of him.
 
Escobar is one of the AL's best shortstops? Really?

.288/.332/.384? I mean, I guess, if you want to ignore the five SS that are clearly better than him.
 
Not reading. Michael Hunt is a hack writer, and the Journal Sentinel is a shit publication.

Brewers should not trade Greinke, if they trade Greinke they're right back to where they were two years ago. No fucking pitching.
 
Yuniesky Betancourt, another former Brewers shortstop (coincidently back with the Royals) who looks somewhat better in retrospect. But that is another story for another day.
Credibility lost.
 
You have no guarantee he is coming back next year man. With the deal that Cain just got, combined with the lack of talent in Free Agency (not to mention that the Brewers were also unable to retain Sabathia and Fielder) the chances are slim of the Brewers getting him back. You've got to get something for him that is not just a compensation pick. At the very least, a couple months of a pitcher like Greinke is still worth a pretty damn good prospect or two.
 
You have no guarantee he is coming back next year man. With the deal that Cain just got, combined with the lack of talent in Free Agency (not to mention that the Brewers were also unable to retain Sabathia and Fielder) the chances are slim of the Brewers getting him back. You've got to get something for him that is not just a compensation pick. At the very least, a couple months of a pitcher like Greinke is still worth a pretty damn good prospect or two.
Signing Fielder to a ten year deal would have been a disaster. Terrible, terrible baseball decision. The Brewer's financial position has improved significantly since 2008 when they lost Sabathia. With all the money coming off the books this year (Greinke, Marcum, Wolf, Gonzalez, Rodriguez are all free agents (that's around 50 million) they have plenty of room to give Greinke the contract he deserves, and Zack has been very open to staying in Milwaukee.
 
Signing Fielder to a ten year deal would have been a disaster. Terrible, terrible baseball decision. The Brewer's financial position has improved significantly since 2008 when they lost Sabathia. With all the money coming off the books this year (Greinke, Marcum, Wolf, Gonzalez, Rodriguez are all free agents (that's around 50 million) they have plenty of room to give Greinke the contract he deserves, and Zack has been very open to staying in Milwaukee.

There still isn't a track record, and who is to say that the Gooby signing won't have an impact on how the club spends either? Small market teams traditionally will put that money back into the club, by signing younger players to extensions (Longoria and Matt Moore) and also by putting it back into the scouting and minors. It is rare for a team that has the history of the Brewers to spend over $100 million to keep one player.

I also think that the extra wild card spot is going to hurt smaller clubs in the FA market. Some clubs that are in the hunt to the end of the season will be emboldened by their progress and will spend more than they normally would.

I'm not saying that they can't bring him back 100%. I find it unlikely that they will be able to (or even want to, but that is for another discussion) but they are also better served to get the package of prospects rather than accepting the sandwich pick if he walks via FA.
 
Signing Fielder to a ten year deal would have been a disaster. Terrible, terrible baseball decision. The Brewer's financial position has improved significantly since 2008 when they lost Sabathia. With all the money coming off the books this year (Greinke, Marcum, Wolf, Gonzalez, Rodriguez are all free agents (that's around 50 million) they have plenty of room to give Greinke the contract he deserves, and Zack has been very open to staying in Milwaukee.

I don't think they should trade Greinke, as long as they are within a half dozen games of a playoff spot.

If they fall out of contention though, if he is so open to staying in MIL, why not move him and then re-sign him in the offseason?
 
And I don't get why you are still being so stubborn about Fielder. The Brewers would be contending right now with Fielder in the lineup. Now if they lose Greinke, they are completely in the shitter for the next half decade. But hey, let's worry about potentially overpaying Fielder seven fucking years from now. Makes a ton of sense to lose now because you're worried about a Fielder decline in 2017. Stupid. Should have exploited this current window and worried about tomorrow, tomorrow.
 
I don't think they should trade Greinke, as long as they are within a half dozen games of a playoff spot.

If they fall out of contention though, if he is so open to staying in MIL, why not move him and then re-sign him in the offseason?

When has this ever worked. This seems like something that would piss off the player more then anything.
 
And I don't get why you are still being so stubborn about Fielder. The Brewers would be contending right now with Fielder in the lineup. Now if they lose Greinke, they are completely in the shitter for the next half decade. But hey, let's worry about potentially overpaying Fielder seven fucking years from now. Makes a ton of sense to lose now because you're worried about a Fielder decline in 2017. Stupid. Should have exploited this current window and worried about tomorrow, tomorrow.

Not to be too hardcore about WAR, but Fielder isn't exactly setting the world on fire (1.5 WAR). Not sure if he would be enough to make the Brewers in contention, considering he has nearly the same WAR as Aramis Ramirez. Would it make them better, absolutely but it wasn't a life and death transaction. If anything the pileup of injuries has destroyed the Brewers.
 
When has this ever worked. This seems like something that would piss off the player more then anything.

Just off the top of my head, Mike Bordick went to the Mets when they were in the playoff hunt and the Orioles got Melvin Mora and Mike Kinkade (then a top 10 MLB prospect) for a three month rental of Bordick, who would return to the Orioles that off-season. It can happen, but the player has to really like where they are, and Bordick still does work for the organization today and also does some work for MASN. Can't say if Greinke is a similar guy.
 
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