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Chicago Hot Stove (Pena to Cubs, Konerko back to Sox)

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Didn't feel like making two separate threads for this.

Chicago Cubs sign Carlos Pena to a 1 year deal, $10 million.

Way overpaid for Pena.

The good news for me though, White Sox re-sign Paul Konerko to a 3-year, $37.5 million deal.

:marshmellow:

In conclusion Paul Konerko (158 OPS+) will make $2.5 million more than Carlos Pena (102 OPS+) next year. Hendry playing off the Werth market I suppose.
 
But then Konerko, who was a top 5 MVP candidate last year got probably well below his market value.

:marshmellow:
 
Berkman signed 1 year for 8 mil.

I think Pena for 1 year 10 mil aint that bad considering the poor spending choices in the past. If he flops, then they are out.

It is nice to have more lefties in the lineup, either batting at 3rd or 5th.
 
And Berkman despite having a really, really bad year (people were questioning if he was done) and was still significantly better than Pena last year.

Berkman: .245/.368/.413, 114 OPS+
Pena: .196/.325/.407, 102 OPS+
 
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It wasn't a fluke bad year. He's been regressing. I still kinda like Pena, I just think at $6 million he's a good signing. At $10 million for a team that's supposedly budget constrained, it's a pretty mediocre value. They still have some other holes and this was likely their entire offseason budget.
 
The guy hit .196.....ONE NINETY SIX.

Sometimes, you don't need to dig deep. Its an awful, terrible signing. You can't convince me they couldn't find a better player for half that amount, or even less.
 
Don't get me wrong, I think he's going to bounce back a little bit, but to what? Even at his career averages he's not that great... at least not at the value he got paid.
 
I can't get past the fact he hit .196. I don't care how much you walk, if you hit .196 you are hurting the team. He never gets hits.
 
I would have been more pissed if they signed Pena for a number of years. This way, he can bounce back and the Cubs look good or he sucks and they let him go. Also read half of it is going to actually be paid in 2012, so it allows them to have $ toward other FA.
 
do the Sabermetrics backup $10 million for Pena?

If Pena cuts down on his ground balls (His GB% jumped up to 45% last year) and plays good defense, while maintaining his power; he'll be worth the money. But, IMO, he's regressing and won't live up to the contract.
 
But then Konerko, who was a top 5 MVP candidate last year got probably well below his market value.

:marshmellow:

Keith Law seems to think it is risky:

But the cost of that confidence is huge, as they sign a 35-year-old, no-defense player for three years, and the risk of him declining in that period is so high that it's almost as if they're paying the $37.5 million just to set themselves up to win the division this year.

I could see Chicago scoring another 30 or 40 runs next year between the addition of Adam Dunn and some improvements from returning players (particularly Gordon Beckham, who was on fire when his season ended prematurely), and while I expect Konerko to take a step back, he's significantly better than any other potential first-base or DH option for the White Sox. Neither Konerko nor Dunn is well-suited to play first, but I'd rather play the rangeless Konerko at first than allow Dunn to drop a few dozen throws from Beckham and Alexei Ramirez.

Konerko had a huge contract year, posting career highs in OBP and slugging at age 34 after three years of productive decline. He's never been much of a defender and is the sort of slow, unathletic player who tends to fall off offensively in his mid-30s -- something Konerko has so far avoided -- but he can't escape Father Time forever.

Even in 2011 Konerko's line is much more likely resemble what he produced from 2007 to 2009, when he hit a composite .260/.350/.475. Those are solid numbers, but unspectacular for a first baseman who provides no defensive or baserunning value. If he hits like that for the next three years, the White Sox will be taking a loss in value on the deal (though they did load the contract with deferrals that will spread payments out until 2020), and that's assuming he doesn't actually decline, in which case they'll have an unmovable player in 2013 who's dragging the offense down.

Sox GM Ken Williams told the gathered media here in Orlando that Konerko's deal was also a product of the kind of person he is, and the leader he's been. That's a nice sentiment, and a true one from all indications, but for this deal to look good -- particularly given Williams' statement that the organization is essentially "tapped out" financially this offseason -- an extremely potent White Sox offense in 2011 will need to trump the warmth the organization and fan base feels for Konerko.
 
Keith Law is a notorious Kenny Williams hater, not surprised he took that stance. I don't recall a positive White Sox article from Law, ever.

While I don't think Konerko is "great" the value of having him vs. attempting to get Derek Lee or Adam LaRoche then another bullpen arm... I'm taking Konerko at $12.5mm

And his idea about "not being much of a defender" is absolute crap. There isn't a whole lot of SABR backing for 1B defense, but he's regarded as a + defender at first base. Real good at picking balls out of the dirt despite not the greatest range in the world. It's certainly not the problem Law mentions though.

I'm not denying he had a career year, he absolutely did, but at $12.5 million that's some decent production even if he hits .260/.350/.475, 25-30 HR.
 
When it comes to 1B and LF, I can live with a guy who just catches the ball. Any kind of range is a bonus. Provided of course, that you are getting good offensive. I'll even take a guy who can't catch the ball, so long as I get GREAT offense.
 
Agreed, is he stabbing every single line that screams by him? Probably not. But he's bailed out errant Alexei Ramirez throws night in and night out and has allowed Alexei to become the elite defender he is.
 
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