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Dana White: Chuck Liddell is retired

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MONTREAL – One of the most storied careers in mixed martial arts has come to a close.

According to UFC President Dana White, longtime UFC fighter Chuck Liddell, who suffered a first-round TKO loss to Mauricio "Shogun" Rua in the co-main event of Saturday's UFC 97 event, is retired from fighting.

"He's a huge superstar, and we could still sell lots of tickets (with Liddell)," White said. "But I don't care about that. I care about him. I care about his health, and it's over, man. It's over."

The loss to Rua was Liddell's fourth in his past five fights and the third to come via knockout in that span. Although Liddell said he retooled his training camp, and though some of those new skills were on display on Saturday at Montreal's Bell Centre, Liddell still suffered the career-ending loss.

Much of the buildup for UFC 97 focused on Liddell's potential retirement. As MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) reported last week, White had been adamant that a loss for 39-year-old Liddell would mean retirement. He softened that stance at a pre-UFC 97 press conference, possibly because Liddell said he still had a few fights left in him.

Following Rua's TKO victory, though, and after Liddell left the post-event press conference, White again spoke definitively.

"How we built this company – using boxing as the blueprint – (and we) don't let guys hang around longer than they should," White said. "I was pushing for retirement. He's my friend, I love him, and I care about him. We sat down (prior to UFC 97). We had a two-hour talk. He wanted to do this (fight). I said, 'If you take this seriously – if I hear you're in one [expletive] nightclub, if you're not training, if you're not doing this, doing that – it's over. That's it. He said, 'No, I'm taking this seriously.'

"And he did. He kept his word. He was in great shape. He came out guns slinging like he does, but that was it. If that (fight) was a toe-to-toe war and he got flashed (knocked down) a couple times and it went to decision, he'd still be retiring too. He'd still be retiring."

White said the decision is all the easier when considering all that the former UFC light-heavyweight champion has accomplished. White continually states that Liddell is the highest earner in MMA history and the biggest star the sport has ever seen.

"I don't want him to fight anymore," White said. "He [expletive] doesn't have anything to prove. Nothing to prove. He doesn't have to prove anything to me or the rest of world. He has [expletive] loads of money. There's no reason for it. ... I don't care how much he draws. I don't want to see him get hurt."

Liddell attended the post-UFC 97 press conference, a rarity for high-profile stars who suffer losses in their fights. White said it's just the type of person Liddell is. But maybe Liddell just wanted to say goodbye – without officially saying goodbye.

When asked if he had entered the cage for the final time, Liddell was at first noncommittal but later admitted it was probably true.

"Yeah, that's probably the case," Liddell said. "I'm not going to make any decisions until I go home to talk to everybody, talk to my people and my friends. ... But it's probably safe to say (I'm retired)."

The news will likely hit the MMA world hard. Despite his 1-4 record since his final title defense over Tito Ortiz at UFC 66, Liddell remains a fan favorite, a proven par-per-view draw, and an international icon for the sport.

"Fight fans love guys who are real fighters, and you will never in your [expletive] life meet a more real fighter than this guy," White said. "He didn't want to stop. He didn't want to quit. He wanted to take another run at the title. He loves to fight."

Liddell retires with a 21-7 record, including a 16-6 mark in the UFC. His 16 wins in the organizations remain a UFC record.

Liddell, who turned pro in 1998, made his MMA and UFC debut at UFC 17. He won the UFC's light-heavyweight title in 2005 and made four consecutive title defenses before losing the belt to Quinton Jackson in 2007.

According to White, Liddell will remain with the organization, though an exact role has not been determined. However, White said Liddell will likely be involved in the organization's public relations, including the push for MMA legislation in the few remaining U.S. states where the sport is not currently regulated.

"He'll always have a home here," White said.

Thoughts?
 
Not surprised he hasnt been himself since Rampage i believe. Plus he is nearing 40 so its not surprising he would leave. He was one of the first UFC athletes for the public to know, the UFC owes him a lot.
 
shit...

after seeing him get his head nearly knocked clear off his head I don't blame White for doing it.

I know I'm no pro fighter or anything, but you can tell his reflexes weren't up to par enough to even defend himself against that shot, and the punch was pretty telegraphed.
 
Yeah, Chuck def still wants to fight, at least that's what it seems like in his interviews. I don't see why Dana wants to force him to retire if he doesn't want to, Chuck has earned the right to fight as long as his heart desires. Plus, no matter what his record is the guy is still a big draw.

Ultimately though I don't think Chuck evolved with the game and he's almost a victim of his own success. The days of KO'in one dimensional wrestlers are over, the 205 division is stacked now with super talent and Chuck hasn't made the proper adjustments to his game.
 
Bigpapa42 said:
That's the feeling I get, too. Might be for the best, but I get the feeling it really wasn't Liddell's choice.

I'd liken the situation to the number of former boxers you see today that suffer from brain damage from taking one-too-many hits in the ring...

Liddell no doubt wants to continue fighting but "it would be in his best interests" to quit now while he still has all his motor skills and can be helpful outside the ring where he won't come into contact with fists, knees and elbows on a nightly basis.

...however, unless I more than likely missed a write-up about Ken Shamrock or Randy Couture, I question why Dana White didn't step in to stop them when they came back one-too-many times. :crutch:
 
Liquidrob a couple days ago

If Chuck gets wrecked, Dana will play the loving friend role and say 'I dont want to see chuck injure himself permantly' blah, blah, blah and will stone wall him from more fights and wont let him go anywhere else because Dana is just looking after him like a good friend would...

Dana wont let Chuck fight for someone else if he is still under contract

Chuck should tell Dana to go fuck himself, who the fuck is he to tell another man to retire? Bullshit
 
I'd liken the situation to the number of former boxers you see today that suffer from brain damage from taking one-too-many hits in the ring...

Liddell no doubt wants to continue fighting but "it would be in his best interests" to quit now while he still has all his motor skills and can be helpful outside the ring where he won't come into contact with fists, knees and elbows on a nightly basis.

...however, unless I more than likely missed a write-up about Ken Shamrock or Randy Couture, I question why Dana White didn't step in to stop them when they came back one-too-many times. :crutch:

I don't blame the UFC if they did make the call and they really did have Liddell's health at heart. The comparison to boxing is interesting but only so relevant - its unlikely that MMA is ever going to cause the kind of long-term brain damage that boxing has done. Its early to have any scientific proof yet, but so far as I understand it, the damage from boxing is caused by the cushioned blows that cause damage to accumulate over time. The sharp blows that cause a knockout are apparently less likely to cause damage.
 
awesome highlight

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dana will not let chuck leave, if he went to strikeforce or afflcition they could easily put on chuck/tito III and it would do really well

chuck still would and probably could beat tito, but tito probably thinks he could probably beat chuck now, would sell no matter what

strikeforce would be better because they would put it on CBS and get hella ratings, but it will never happen, dana would not allow it
 
Bigpapa42 said:
I don't blame the UFC if they did make the call and they really did have Liddell's health at heart. The comparison to boxing is interesting but only so relevant - its unlikely that MMA is ever going to cause the kind of long-term brain damage that boxing has done. Its early to have any scientific proof yet, but so far as I understand it, the damage from boxing is caused by the cushioned blows that cause damage to accumulate over time. The sharp blows that cause a knockout are apparently less likely to cause damage.

It makes me wonder if there's a study out there that compares the long-term effects of a boxing career to a MMA career.

(My big tangent that was meant to go somewhere but I lost my train of thought: )

I'd have to change my stance of just head trauma/brain injury to overall damage to the body when it comes to a long MMA fighting career to make my next point though...

While as a boxer, you'd have to worry about blunt force trauma to your ribs, head and organs such as your kidneys (not to mention your hands/wrists as a result of using them to inflict said damage).

MMA however, with its multitude of submission manuvers from BJJ and other fighting styles only add to the list of things that can go wrong when you fight in a cage... shit like torn ligaments and leg damage from so many kicks.

Overall, I'd say that a fighter like Liddell can train all he wants but in the end he may eventually suffer from the collection of abuse he's suffered through over the years.

(My real point, minus the addition of Liddell fighting off injuries due to submission moves and other tactics that don't include him dodging fists to the skull: )

I would look at the knockout shots and "bombs" being thrown in an MMA environment and compare them to a boxing setting that has similar things going on (taking jabs, hooks, etc. out of the conversation for a moment...).

Now aside from the glove differences between the sports and the way said blows are delivered, I can't see much of a change in the effects they might have on a fighter like Chuck Liddell.
 
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Chuck has tons of fans and is an exciting fighter, I really think White is looking out for Chuck's best interests here. Chuck has been brutally knocked down/out in 4 of the past 5 fights. Its time to give it up before long term damage is done IMO.
 
long term MMA affects are no where near a boxer

chuck has suffered 3 on the button KO's, nothing like a KO in the later rounds of a boxing match, MMA fighters probably take more damge in training and sparring than actually in ring damage over the long haul

MMA is quick and looks more violent, but long term is nothing like a boxer where your brain is just rattled all fight long
 
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