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Deadspin on new MLB bubble market of cable contracts

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So, the Padres were just sold, rather quietly, for $800 million, propped up by the same funny money from expected TV revenue that has recently spurred the Angels, Dodgers, Reds, etc. to start throwing money down the gutter at unprecedented rates. Jack Dickey explores why this business model is less than stable...

Don't think there's a market bubble going on in MLB? Look at this, from the Associated Press:

A group headed by former Los Angeles Dodgers owner Peter O'Malley and including pro golfer Phil Mickelson reached agreement Monday to buy the San Diego Padres from John Moores.

The purchase price is believed to be around $800 million.

$800 million for the Padres. Sounds high, but maybe the team has more fans than we thought. Nope:

The agreement came months after Jeff Moorad's attempt to buy the team on a layaway plan fell apart. Moores' deal with Moorad, who began his attempted purchase of the club in 2009, was valued at about $500 million.

The San Diego Padres are still the same San Diego Padres they were in 2009. Hell, they may even be worse: The 2009 Pads had Adrian Gonzalez and Jake Peavy. The new team doesn't have a comparable star, unless you really like Carlos Quentin. And the Padres rank 14th out of 16 National League teams in per-game attendance, which is the team's worst showing since 1995.

So why are they "worth" $300 million more than they were three years ago? It's simple. Big television contracts make every potential owner squeal.

We've written before about the craziness cable-television money has brought to baseball (here and here, to name recent instances). The $2 billion sale in May of the Dodgers—to guys who do not have $2 billion—exemplified this lunacy. (The Dodgers think they will get $4 billion from their next TV contract.)

And, what do you know, the Padres recently signed a 20-year, $1.2 billion contract with Fox Sports San Diego. It was a sweet deal made even sweeter by Fox's $200 million cash advance to the team. (Since that $200 million will go toward paying off the outgoing owners, only $600 million actually changes hands in the sale.) Perhaps Fox's $200 million came from the network's cash reserves, but it's more likely that a regional sports network—especially one based in San Diego—would need to borrow money to come up with $200 million in cash. And that $200 million in cash is the only part of the deal that isn't Monopoly money. Everything else is a guarantee far into the future.

Perhaps you wonder what's wrong with making guarantees far into the future. Isn't that how business works? Well, sure, maybe. But prudent businesses generally don't make their future guarantees rely on ridiculous, unsustainable oligopoly-exploiting perpetual price increases!

As a refresher, this is how sports works on cable and satellite: The cable company negotiates a monthly fee with the channel that carries the games. Every channel has a fee (see here), and so your cable bill includes the $4.69 a month you pay for ESPN and the 33 cents a month you pay for MTV and the 58 cents a month you pay for Fox News. Unless the channel is on a special programming tier, like HBO or IFC, every subscriber has to pay those fees regardless of whether he watches the channels in question. Regional sports channels are not on special tiers, which means that everyone in the San Diego area with a cable box or a satellite dish—even those who don't care about the Padres, which is probably to say, 95 percent of the people in the San Diego area—pays approximately $20 a year for Padres games.

This is a broken system in the first place. It irritates a lot of cable and satellite executives. But they've gotten angrier than usual recently because sports networks have asked for giant rights fees increases to pay for the deals they've signed with teams. For instance, ESPN, which has guaranteed large contracts in recent years to the SEC and ACC and Big 12, has raised its fee 42 percent since 2006.

All this brings us back to San Diego, where Time Warner Cable is right now refusing to carry Fox Sports San Diego, because the network is asking for too much money. The network is asking for a rights fee increase because it needs to—it just gave the Padres all that money. So if you have Time Warner, you can't watch the Padres. But because the Padres have won only 47 of their 111 games, and because the Padres trot out a rotation which, until a week ago, included Jason Marquis AND Kip Wells, no one has complained enough to make Time Warner capitulate.

This is a glimpse of our future: televised baseball as scarce resource, a result of teams and cable networks putting too much stress on the delicate bargain of the past.

Any prospective Padres owners should have been able to glean something from the ongoing struggle: Fox's billion-dollar promise is anything but guaranteed. Phil Mickelson was once known as a serious gambler. He bet obsessively on NFL games, even though he knew he wouldn't win. We don't say this lightly: This is the worst wager of his career.
 
"Regional sports channels are not on special tiers, which means that everyone in the San Diego area with a cable box or a satellite dish—even those who don't care about the Padres, which is probably to say, 95 percent of the people in the San Diego area—pays approximately $20 a year for Padres games."

I have DirectTv, and I have to pay for an additional "sports package" to get the regional/local Fox Sports Channel. I don't think any of the regional sports channels are a part of the basic DirectTV package...but I think the regional sports channels are part of basic cable packages.
 
Thou shalt not look to a sports paparazzi site for knowledgeable financial analysis.

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I bet you still think the New York Times does good reporting though, right? Deadspin out-reports and out-fact checks 90% of the "traditional" outlets when they really cover a story. Don't let the dong shots fool you.

Or are you just upset because your beloved Dodgers are heading for the next Madoff scandal?

:kobe:
 
Yeah, that's an unfair blanket statement of Deadspin which isn't real fair. They were the media outlet most on the ball about the Penn State controversy, Craig James, etc. They go places where the major networks are afraid to. Yeah, they have dong shots and stupid stuff like that but there's not many places for better investigative reporting.
 
I bet you still think the New York Times does good reporting though, right? Deadspin out-reports and out-fact checks 90% of the "traditional" outlets when they really cover a story. Don't let the dong shots fool you.

:jonesy:

LOL at New York Times, and LOL at Deadspin. Another LOL at fact checks.
 
I would back up Villain's point here but that would force me to cite the Ryan Holiday book I read, which NAHSTE rips to shreds despite not knowing the actual content within.

Luckily, Nick Denton has sworn to change Gawker Media to provide more researched and well thought-out posts, as opposed to just taking what little information they receive/find and running with it without checking for any facts until after the post has been clicked on thousands of times. It looks to me that this article is pretty well-sourced, so Villain might want to back off a bit.
 
I like Deadspin as much as the next sports fan, but it's not Bloomberg news, The Economist, or anything else even remotely related to finance. Also, TBQH, the perceived MLB "bubble" with DirecTV and cable companies isn't a new thing (or much less a story being broke by Deadspin). My father was telling me about it months ago during the Doyers' sale.

Some people believe that the future of local MLB coverage on TV is going to be at an increased cost to the consumer (by way of a sports package not unlike one you'd get for HBO and other premium channels).
 
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My father was telling me about it months ago during the Doyers' sale.

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Oh well in that case, no need for this thread everyone! Who cares that the Padres are now worth $300 more than they were two years ago, Villain's dad already told him about this phenomenon.
 
Oh well in that case, no need for this thread everyone! Who cares that the Padres are now worth $300 more than they were two years ago, Villain's dad already told him about this phenomenon.

How silly of me! Why should I listen to the smartest finance professional I know? :llama:

Also, I like how that's the point you nitpick, as opposed to the ones related to the thread. /VSN
 
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Also, I like how that's the point you nitpick, as opposed to the ones related to the thread. /VSN

You mean the point that is the main topic of the article I am citing the original post? How does that not relate to the thread, when it is the reason I created the thread?

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I've never really understood the relationship between TV and baseball. I remember in the late 80's and early 90's CBS paid a fortune to televise MLB games, and they lost a ton of money on the deal because the ratings were bad and no one wanted to advertise during the games. I don't think that many people watch regular season baseball on TV, so I don't know how lucrative it is for the TV stations. This whole situation reminds me of the "stadium naming" craze from a few years ago...companies would pay big bucks to attach their name to a stadium, yet no one had any idea how "valuable" it was.
 
I've never really understood the relationship between TV and baseball. I remember in the late 80's and early 90's CBS paid a fortune to televise MLB games, and they lost a ton of money on the deal because the ratings were bad and no one wanted to advertise during the games. I don't think that many people watch regular season baseball on TV, so I don't know how lucrative it is for the TV stations. This whole situation reminds me of the "stadium naming" craze from a few years ago...companies would pay big bucks to attach their name to a stadium, yet no one had any idea how "valuable" it was.

Nobody watches baseball on a national level. Some of these local Fox Sports Networks draw very good ratings in certain markets. Double digit shares, which FOX would kill for on a national basis.
 
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but that is true. White Sox attendance numbers are usually pretty awful, but I've heard multiple times that their television ratings are through the roof.
 
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but that is true. White Sox attendance numbers are usually pretty awful, but I've heard multiple times that their television ratings are through the roof.

But if those same regional sports networks are holding out for more money from TV carriers like DirectTV & TimeWarner, then where is the money being made? Do the regional sports networks need to generate more advertising money during those baseball games? Or do they only make money through DirectTV carriers?

It still seems weird...baseball teams being bought/sold for big bucks on the assumption of big TV earnings that have yet to happen, and sports channels holding out for big carrier fees that have yet to happen. And there is no unified MLB TV revenue sharing. The NFL model makes sense...TV gets advertising money during games, TV pays NFL teams to broadcast games. The MLB model is much more convoluted. I don't understand where the money comes from.
 
But if those same regional sports networks are holding out for more money from TV carriers like DirectTV & TimeWarner, then where is the money being made? Do the regional sports networks need to generate more advertising money during those baseball games? Or do they only make money through DirectTV carriers?

It still seems weird...baseball teams being bought/sold for big bucks on the assumption of big TV earnings that have yet to happen, and sports channels holding out for big carrier fees that have yet to happen. And there is no unified MLB TV revenue sharing. The NFL model makes sense...TV gets advertising money during games, TV pays NFL teams to broadcast games. The MLB model is much more convoluted. I don't understand where the money comes from.

It's a combination of both advertising & carrying fees.

In the case of the Padres, they were one of the few teams still being aired by a local over-the-air channel (Channel 4 SD). I have no idea what kind of ratings the Padres do locally, but even if the ratings are shit, they are significantly higher than whatever FSN San Diego is airing. Have you seen what these FSN's air when they don't have games on? Honestly, I have no idea FSN San Diego even existed. The Padres are the only non-Chargers team in town, so FSN San Diego just quadrupled their ratings, and thus, will demand higher carrying fees, and the highest ad rates of they've ever seen, not only during Padres games, but across the board, based on the added exposure Padres baseball brings, which will lead to small bumps on the rest of their crappy programming. And remember, this is more than three hours per day in the summer. They will likely air a half hour pre game show, and an hour post game, meaning on some days you are now pushing SIX hours of double digit rating shares per day, when previously i'm sure FSN San Diego averaged less than a 1.0 share (probably the dreaded "asterisk" rating, which means so few viewers it cant be measured) from 6-12 on weeknights in the summer (remember, this is also primetime).

Baseball is a big deal locally, much more so than NBA or NHL, which also do well for these regional outlets, but nothing like baseball, because baseball is also double the games. Plus, in the case of the NBA, the local FSN's lose a ton of viewers to ESPN & TNT. Baseball fans are far more loyal to their home team and ESPN baseball ratings are shit.

I think FSN San Diego will make that $1.2B back over 20 years easily. The idea that the Padres stink means nothing. Odds are, they aren't going to be terrible for 20 years. They nearly made the playoffs in 2010, and baseball has expanded the playoff format.
 
Baseball is a big deal locally, much more so than NBA or NHL, which also do well for these regional outlets, but nothing like baseball, because baseball is also double the games. Plus, in the case of the NBA, the local FSN's lose a ton of viewers to ESPN & TNT. Baseball fans are far more loyal to their home team and ESPN baseball ratings are shit.

But you are just talking about ratings. And they are local ratings, at that. My question is, how much money can you make from local advertising? I don't think it would nearly be enough to justify the Padres purchase price.
 
It not the ad revenue that makes these contracts so ridiculous but rather the forced payment by everybody who has cable in that team's market. The ad revenue is just the cherry on top.
 
But you are just talking about ratings. And they are local ratings, at that. My question is, how much money can you make from local advertising? I don't think it would nearly be enough to justify the Padres purchase price.

The price of the Padres jumped $300M after the FSN deal, which to me is still a bargain for the new owners. I mean, like the article says, FSN already paid $200M of that $1.2B up front, which was a sticking point in the sale of the team.

I think a few teams may get burned when FSN or whoever else can't fulfill their end of these gigantic contracts, because you will inevitably see bidding wars in some markets. But who was FSN San Diego competing with? Local TV 4? I'm not privy to ad rates and such, but I would have to think this was a good deal for all sides, especially since FSN San Diego just went from barely existing to a real ratings player in that city.
 
When you watch an out of market game on MLB.tv do you get local commercials during the breaks or nothing at all? I shudder at the thought of one day having to pay a fee to watch every Angels game when it seems like just a year or two ago the majority of their games were on the smaller over-the-air TV affiliates out here.

I knew the day would come but it's sad that it has come to having to pay to watch any pro sports in your own home these days.
 
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