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Does Luol Deng Deserve to be an All Star?

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FedEx227

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...d-luol-deng-deserve-to-make-the-all-star-game

Last Thursday, Chicago Bulls forward Luol Deng officially punched his ticket to Orlando as he was named a reserve for the 2012 NBA All-Star Game.

This is Deng's first All-Star berth and while Bulls fans think it is well overdue, basketball journalists across the country were scratching their heads. The most notable of these doubters was ESPN's John Hollinger who took his gripe to Twitter:

Luol Deng ranks 53rd in PER and missed a quarter of his team's schedule. Let's put him in the All-Star Game.

It is hard to argue with Hollinger's point. Deng is 53rd in PER; he has missed a quarter of his team's schedule.

Statistically, it is extremely difficult to say Deng deserved the All-Star bid.

Ian Levy, of The Two-Man Game, had similar concerns on ESPN.com when he named Deng his biggest All-Star surprise:

It's great to see Deng's all-around game finally being recognized, but I'd be more comfortable if it was being noticed in a season where he hadn't missed a quarter of his team's games while shooting 30 points below his career average.

It is difficult to argue with Levy or Hollinger's point on a statistical level. Deng's 15.8 points per game ranked fifth in the Eastern Conference among small forwards while his rebounds per game (7.1) rank second.

The advanced stats are where Deng falls behind, Hollinger mentions Deng's overall ranking of 53rd in PER (16.3) which puts him in territory with Milwaukee Bucks forward Mike Dunleavy and Cleveland Cavaliers forward Antawn Jamison. Nobody is confusing either of those two as All Stars this season.

Deng's Win Shares of 7.71 are in equally bad company. The advanced metrics are not kind to Deng this year.

Even the defensive metrics like Hoopdata.com's DEF (Steals + Blocks + Charges) puts Deng (2.00) far below non-All Star colleagues like Josh Smith (3.81).

You cannot argue with these facts and despite being a follower of many of these stats, I still believe Deng deserves to be an All Star this season.

The metrics do not rate him out that well, but much of Deng's impact to the league-best Chicago Bulls does not show up in those particular stats.

His ability on defense does not show up in most defensive metrics but his help defense and ability to shut down wing players is unmatched.

Deng's +/- (net points for the team while the player was on the floor) is an almost inhuman +163, which tells the story that when Deng is on the floor, the Bulls are at another level.

Even Derrick Rose (+126) has less of an impact when he's on the floor than Deng this season.

The All-Star Game is also not only about statistics, of course, it is a fan driven game and made for fans, but it is also a reward to successful teams.

The most exciting head coaches in the league do not coach, the coaches of the best teams do. This should carry over to the teams as well.

Josh Smith would be a more exciting addition to the Eastern Conference team, but Deng and the Chicago Bulls should be rewarded for an outstanding season.

The Chicago Bulls are the best team in the NBA right now and deserve to have two representatives, even if Deng is not a mega star.

Despite some sound statistical arguments, I believe Luol Deng deserves to be an All Star this season.

Now I just hope Eastern Conference and Chicago Bulls head coach Tom Thibodeau doesn't play him for 40 minutes.
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I think he does deserve it but I have some trouble putting him above Josh Smith or Danny Granger. All three really deserve it this year.
 
Maybe, but not over the guys who were snubbed. This is probably the 3rd straight year Smith has been passed over for a marginal selection.
 
I don't think that a player like Josh Smith should have gotten in. I think of an undisciplined player on the court with all the talent in the world when I think of Smith.

I just have a hard time seeing how the team with the best record in the NBA doesn't have two all-stars on the team.

A bigger snub is Rajon Rondo.
 
nwfisch said:
I don't think that a player like Josh Smith should have gotten in. I think of an undisciplined player on the court with all the talent in the world when I think of Smith.

I just have a hard time seeing how the team with the best record in the NBA doesn't have two all-stars on the team.

A bigger snub is Rajon Rondo.
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This is all true (less so than it was in the past, but still true), but if he outperforms other players in the conference even with his stubborn shot selection ... why hold it against him?

If he's more deserving based on performance than the other guy, let him in. You don't punish him for what his potential could be.

He's averaging 1.5 blocks and 1.5 steals per game, 16 ppg, 8.5 boards, 3 assists ... Quite clearly he's a well rounded player who affects the game on both ends, but hey let's never let him in the All-Star game because of his perceived lack of discipline.
 
Basketball metrics for the loss. LOL at comparing Deng's +/- to Derrick Rose's. Really? No mention of the fact that when Deng is on the floor, DERRICK ROSE IS ALSO ON THE FLOOR??? I've always thought basketball stat geeks were retarded. Whats next...Greg Kite has a higher +/- rating than Larry Bird?
 
Senser81 said:
Basketball metrics for the loss. LOL at comparing Deng's +/- to Derrick Rose's. Really? No mention of the fact that when Deng is on the floor, DERRICK ROSE IS ALSO ON THE FLOOR??? I've always thought basketball stat geeks were retarded. Whats next...Greg Kite has a higher +/- rating than Larry Bird?
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Luc Longley led all NBA centers in +/- in the 1997-98 season.

(I didn't look this up, just guessing.)
 
Senser81 said:
Basketball metrics for the loss. LOL at comparing Deng's +/- to Derrick Rose's. Really? No mention of the fact that when Deng is on the floor, DERRICK ROSE IS ALSO ON THE FLOOR??? I've always thought basketball stat geeks were retarded. Whats next...Greg Kite has a higher +/- rating than Larry Bird?
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Not understanding what the stat means, for the loss.

Good try as usual though. Deng has been on the floor without Rose 128 minutes this year.
 
FedEx227 said:
Only goes up to 02-03.
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:bosh:

I don't like individual +/- though. Just too much noise in a basketball game that can't be accounted for.

If we're talking about +/- for a 5-man unit, then yeah I can see the usage, but for individuals I don't really take it all that seriously.
 
For the most part I agree. This story was one of the ideas given to me, I personally think Josh Smith should've had his spot so I had to use whatever stats to somewhat tell the story.

I think Deng has been really valuable for the Bulls but i'm not sure he's All Star material.

Individual +/- I rarely use, for this one, meh I used it... whatever. I think it has some use as long as you're able to use it in the context of other stats. Delonte West use to have an ungodly high +/- but almost never saw floor time without LeBron.

I do tend to use it more heavily for 5-man units.
 
FedEx227 said:
For the most part I agree. This story was one of the ideas given to me, I personally think Josh Smith should've had his spot so I had to use whatever stats to somewhat tell the story.
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Why not just use PPG, RPG, APG, SPG and BPG, since Smoove is better in every category?


/not bitter I swear
 
NAHSTE said:
This is all true (less so than it was in the past, but still true), but if he outperforms other players in the conference even with his stubborn shot selection ... why hold it against him?

If he's more deserving based on performance than the other guy, let him in. You don't punish him for what his potential could be.

He's averaging 1.5 blocks and 1.5 steals per game, 16 ppg, 8.5 boards, 3 assists ... Quite clearly he's a well rounded player who affects the game on both ends, but hey let's never let him in the All-Star game because of his perceived lack of discipline.
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Because I don't see his defense helping his team, I do see his bad shot selection (and the Hawks bad shot selection in general) shooting themselves out of a game.


I see the 20 foot jump shots and the Phillips Center crowd groaning everytime he gets the ball.
 
nwfisch said:
Because I don't see his defense helping his team, I do see his bad shot selection (and the Hawks bad shot selection in general) shooting themselves out of a game.


I see the 20 foot jump shots and the Phillips Center crowd groaning everytime he gets the ball.
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Seriously? 7th in the league in blocks per game, 20th in steals per game ...

Yeah, those don't help.
 
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