From the "No Duh?" Dept in Missoula, MT..........

[the Brain]

..........NFL finds Pats equipment guys "probably" deflated the balls on purpose & Brady "probably" knew about it.

 

[BigBucs]

Link to the report. Check out the text messages starting on page 79 :rofl:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2073728-ted-wells-report-deflategate.html

 

[Derrville]

"Omg! Spaz"

The text messages talk a lot about inflating the balls because Brady had bitched about the balls during the Oct 16 game against the Jets and theres actually text message during the game. The next day John Jasmeskri, who Tom talked to checked the balls and few were supposedly over inflated. This sets Jim Mcnally into a Tom Brady hate filled rage and one of his plans is blowing the balls up like rugby sized even saying, "Fuckin watermelons coming".

A couple messages later Mcnally says in refrence to Tom, "The only thing deflating sun.. is his passer rating"

3 days later Brady went 30-35 354 yds and threw 5 tds for a season best record of 148.4.

Hilarious.

 

[the Brain]

I love how Brady's suddenly frequent calls to the assistant equipment mgr were to keep the guy focused on the big game.

 

[ThunderHorse]

NFL Network is killing me with this "They went 6 quarters with regulation balls and played lights out so let's ignore that they did this"

They've been doing this for a while. They've had a historically low fumble rate in relation with the rest of the league for a couple of years now. Deflated footballs are easier to hold onto.

How many plays, drives, games were won because the Pats were playing with softer balls? How many of those games won contributed to their seeding in the playoffs?

 

[the Brain]

I think whether flatter a ball helped or didn't help is immaterial. What matters is you have a rule. No matter how essential or inconsequential it is, you have a rule. If you don't punish a purposeful violation of it you are sending a message that rules are there to be broken or that some are favored more than others. And when your business is fair competition, that is a fatal message to send to your customer base.

 

[Houston]

"Fucking watermelons coming"
:dead:

 

[SethMode]

I think whether flatter a ball helped or didn't help is immaterial. What matters is you have a rule. No matter how essential or inconsequential it is, you have a rule. If you don't punish a purposeful violation of it you are sending a message that rules are there to be broken or that some are favored more than others. And when your business is fair competition, that is a fatal message to send to your customer base.

That's my thought as well. And, you know, there is the fact that the Pats are the team that keep coming up for this shit. It's kind of irrelevant how much the cheating did or didn't help them: they cheated. They broke a rule. What is also irrelevant that is squirreling up again among mostly Pats fans, is that everyone does it. I don't care if every team does this, just like I didn't care that everyone spied on other teams. You got caught. In high school, when my best friend was the one that got caught when we were all drinking underage at the local national park, his mom didn't give a shit that the rest of us were doing it too.

 

[BigBucs]

The NFL's evidence that Tom Brady knew about a likely plot to deflate footballs before the AFC title game is circumstantial.


But this isn't a court of law. NFL investigator Tedd Wells thought there was enough there to conclude Brady was probably "generally aware" of what was going on, and said as much in his report.


One of key pieces of evidence that led Wells to this conclusion is Brady's level of communication with equipment assistant John Jastremski in the days after the scandal broke. According to the report, investigators believe that Jastremski and locker room attendant Jim McNally conspired to deflate the game balls before the AFC title game, with McNally physically deflating the balls using a needle provided by Jastremski.


After the scandal broke in the early morning hours of January 19, according to the report, there was a significant uptick in communication between Brady and Jastremski. Investigators found this suspicious. Jastremski, who was in charge of preparing balls for gameday, hadn't talked to Brady over the phone or exchanged texts with him in six months going into January 19. Over the next 72 hours, according to phone records, they talked on the phone eight times and exchanged 15 texts.


The texts show Brady continually checked up on Jastremski after the scandal broke, talked to him multiple times a day, and even invited him to the quarterback meeting room to talk for the first time in Jastremski's 20 years with the team.


Here's all the communication between the two in the three days after the AFC title game, as detailed by the report.


January 19th, the day after the AFC title game: They talk on the phone four times for a total of 25 minutes and exchange 12 texts. It's their first phone communication in six months.


According to the report, Jastremski read a ProFootballTalk article about the deflated football scandal at 7:04 a.m. the morning after the game. Twenty minutes later, at 7:25 a.m., he texted Brady asking him to call him:

Brady calls him a minute later, and they talk for 13 minutes. Jastremski initially told NFL Security that they didn't talk about the deflated balls, but later told Wells that they did.


9:51 a.m.: Brady texts Jastremski checking up on him. Jastremski says he's "still nervous:"


Brady (9:51 a.m.): You good Jonny boy?


Jastremski (9:53 a.m.): Still nervous; so far so good though. I'll be alright


Brady (9:54 a.m.): You didn't do anything wrong bud.


Jastremski (9:55 a.m.): I know; I'll be all good


Brady told investigators he was just supporting Jastremski because he knew Jastremski was responsible for the condition of the balls. Jastremski told investigators he was joking when he said he was "nervous."


10:54 a.m.: Jastremski texts Brady giving him a heads up that head equipment manager David Schoenfeld was going to interview him:


Jastremski (10:54 a.m.): FYI...Dave will be picking your brain later about it. He's not accusing me, or anyone...trying to get to bottom of it. He knows it's unrealistic you did it yourself...


Jastremski (10:55 a.m.): Just a heads up


Brady (10:59 a.m.): No worries bud. We are all good


Jastremski told investigators that the "it's unrealistic you did it yourself" text was a joke.


2:30 p.m.: Brady texts Jastremski asking him to come up to the quarterback room, which is basically Brady's office:


Brady (2:38 p.m.): Jj are you here?


Jastremski (2:38 p.m.): Yup


Brady (2:38 p.m.): Come to qb room


Brady says they discussed ball preparation for the Super Bowl. Jastremski has worked for the team for 20 years and Brady never called him into his office.


5:21 p.m.: Brady tells Jastremski to call him.

They talk for 12 minutes, again telling investigators they were talking about Super Bowl balls.


January 20th: They talk on the phone twice for nearly 10 minutes and exchange two texts.


7:24 a.m.: Jastremski tells Brady to call him.

They talk for about six minutes. Again Jastremski says they discussed Super Bowl balls, not the deflated ball scandal.


5:31 p.m.: Brady checks in:

They talk on the phone for three minutes. From the report:


"Jastremski said that he did not understand Brady's text message to be a reference to the NFL's investigation of the circumstances surrounding the AFC Championship Game, even though Jastremski had been interviewed by NFL Security that afternoon. Instead, Jastremski said that he understood Brady to be checking in because Brady knew that 'it's a pain in the butt' to prepare over fifty footballs for the Super Bowl."


January 21th: They talk twice on the phone and exchange one text.

7:27 a.m.: Brady texts him asking to call.

They talk for 13 minutes. Brady says they talked about Super Bowl balls. Jastremski says they talked about Super Bowl balls and his wedding.


11:45 a.m.: They talk on the phone for seven minutes.


It's important to note that there isn't a full electronic paper trail on Brady because he wouldn't give investigators access to his phone, which investigators say "potentially limited the discovery of relevant evidence and was not helpful to the investigation."


Is this (combined with other evidence suggesting Brady was vigilant about ball inflation levels) enough to conclude Brady was probably "generally aware" of the likely plot?


Brady's camp certainly doesn't think so. Brady "denied any knowledge of or involvement in any efforts to deflate game balls after the pre-game inspection by the game officials," according to the report. His agent Don Yee released a blistering statement blasting Wells' conclusion and accusing the league of staging a sting operation. Wells concludes otherwise, saying Brady it's likely that Brady knew something.


Now it's up to the NFL to make its own conclusions about what Brady knew and determine whether he should be punished.

http://www.businessinsider.com/brady-patriots-employee-texts-deflategate-2015-5

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Bottom line whats the punishment.
Pats have been caught cheating ...again...during a SB season. This isnt decades later some retired equipment Mgr confessing gameday sins...this time it was right before the SB and that massive shithead Goodell tries to minimize it. He has none left but if he ever wanted to recover some credibility he needs to nail the Pats for this even though its ridiculously and calculatedly late.

 

[the Brain]

Here are the most blatant instances of rule breaking by NFL organizations in the last few years.....

1.Patriots taping hand signals from opponents. Results before punishment? Super Bowl win

2.Saints paying players for causing opponents injuries. Results before punishment? Super Bowl win

3.Patriots deflating balls for a better grip. Results before punishment? Super Bowl win

Now I ask you: Would anyone above be willing to risk the results of their season by changing anything? So far, the lesson the boys & girls of the NFL have learned is its worth it to break the rules to win the SB trophy. If the NFL truly wants to deter their franchises from circumventing the rules, then they must make the punishment not worth the risk of getting caught.

Brady should be suspended a year.

 

[BookerT316]

I think whether flatter a ball helped or didn't help is immaterial. What matters is you have a rule. No matter how essential or inconsequential it is, you have a rule. If you don't punish a purposeful violation of it you are sending a message that rules are there to be broken or that some are favored more than others. And when your business is fair competition, that is a fatal message to send to your customer base.

This may be true but if you are looking at this as a business or a job. But the NFL rules committee is ran by the Owners. So they control everything and they punish who they want know matter what the crime be.

 

[the Brain]

This may be true but if you are looking at this as a business or a job. But the NFL rules committee is ran by the Owners. So they control everything and they punish who they want know matter what the crime be.

I would respond, but I have no idea what you just wrote. You go to school w/Cookie Monster?

 

[BookerT316]

I would respond, but I have no idea what you just wrote. You go to school w/Cookie Monster?

I see your a Tom Brady Fan, Well Let me Retort.
A liar what your homeboy Tommy is, and the world knows it so no matter what he's does from now on his legacy is set in stone.

 

[SethMode]

I see your a Tom Brady Fan, Well Let me Retort.
A liar what your homeboy Tommy is, and the world knows it so no matter what he's does from now on his legacy is set in stone.

? What does this even mean?

At absolutely no point in this thread does he come across as pro-Brady in this scenario. Particularly in the post RIGHT BEFORE YOUR INITIAL ONE where he calls for a year suspension for Brady. WTF are you talking about?

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Brady should be suspended two games, tops. The closest comparison is doctoring a baseball in MLB. Pitchers throughout the years, including some in the HOF, have used foreign substances like Vaseline, pine tar and even spit to make the ball easier for them to grip. This is essentially what Tom Brady did.

If you listen to the number of former NFL QBs who have come out and said that this practice is very common, and has been common since last decade at least, then it's an unwritten rule that teams do this until they get caught. Again, just like doctoring a baseball.

Look at Michael Pineda, who was suspended 10 games last year for having pine tar on his neck. In baseball, 10 games is two starts, so that's why it should be only one or two games for Brady.

People are making a much bigger deal out of this than they should be. Some people are trying to be the moral police for a sport where people make millions of dollars, and the commissioner makes more money in one season than any other player.

 

[JMocks]

People are making a much bigger deal out of this than they should be.

Its the Patriots. And with their track record, obviously this was going to become a big deal.

 

[SethMode]

Brady should be suspended two games, tops. The closest comparison is doctoring a baseball in MLB. Pitchers throughout the years, including some in the HOF, have used foreign substances like Vaseline, pine tar and even spit to make the ball easier for them to grip. This is essentially what Tom Brady did.

If you listen to the number of former NFL QBs who have come out and said that this practice is very common, and has been common since last decade at least, then it's an unwritten rule that teams do this until they get caught. Again, just like doctoring a baseball.

Look at Michael Pineda, who was suspended 10 games last year for having pine tar on his neck. In baseball, 10 games is two starts, so that's why it should be only one or two games for Brady.

People are making a much bigger deal out of this than they should be. Some people are trying to be the moral police for a sport where people make millions of dollars, and the commissioner makes more money in one season than any other player.

The statement in bold makes no sense. Doing something until you get caught is neither some crazy "unwritten rule" nor is it saying "it's cool to do this as long as you don't get caught". It's a rule, you break it and get caught, you get punished. That's why they exist. To quasi-quote Walter from the Big Lebowski: "This is not 'nam Thomas, this is football, there are rules." There is very little grey area required here, outside of those that seem to want to look for it (the NFL included).

The comparison to baseball is completely irrelevant. Especially with the amount of nonsense that goes on in baseball under this "unwritten rule" guise.

To me, this is nothing about being a moral policeman, it's the fact that the Pats have been caught TWICE now doing things that are against the rules. The impact at this point is, and should be, unimportant. It's the fact that they will willfully break the rules that should be the problem, and the overarching concern for the NFL.

What makes it even WORSE in my opinion is that I fully believe that the Pats are a good enough team to win without cheating. Yet whomever truly is the mastermind(s) of all of this are so insecure or whatver it is, that they still go about breaking the rules for every advantage they can conceivably get.

 

[the Brain]

Brady should be suspended two games, tops.

Wow. That'll learn him not to do that again.

 

[Houston]

Some people are trying to be the moral police for a sport where people make millions of dollars, and the commissioner makes more money in one season than any other player.

Is this a ram29jackson post...what does this have to do with anything?