Hey Mike Martz

[NAHSTE]

Great playcall, ya fucking "genius."

 

[FirstTimer]

Get this. It was the original play call. They had to audible as Hanie couldn't hear the play and they called a timeout...had a chance to think it over and STILL went back to the Jet Sweep to Earl Bennet.

 

[NAHSTE]

Get this. It was the original play call. They had to audible as Hanie couldn't hear the play and they called a timeout...had a chance to think it over and STILL went back to the Jet Sweep to Earl Bennet.

Unbelievable.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Then how do you not call a timeout on 4th down? Your third string QB is nervous, you call a time out and clearly explain the play.

 

[FirstTimer]

Then how do you not call a timeout on 4th down? Your third string QB is nervous, you call a time out and clearly explain the play.

How was Hanie "clearly" nervous before the 4th down play?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yes, the Bears lost because of that play. Not because they were down to the third string QB because Todd Collins can't complete a pass. Not because the thrid string QB threw a pass directly into the chest of a 340 lb DL.

Were you goofs calling out Martz when the Bears scored 14 points in the blink of an eye (with the 3rd string QB) to get back into the game?

As usual, Martz is the scapegoat. Did you know he was Hitler's right hand man? And caused Katrina? It's true.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yes, the Bears lost because of that play. Not because they were down to the third string QB because Todd Collins can't complete a pass. Not because the thrid string QB threw a pass directly into the chest of a 340 lb DL.

Were you goofs calling out Martz when the Bears scored 14 points in the blink of an eye (with the 3rd string QB) to get back into the game?

As usual, Martz is the scapegoat. Did you know he was Hitler's right hand man? And caused Katrina? It's true.

No one claimed the Bears lost because of that play.

At least I haven't.

It was still a stupid fucking playcall.

 

[mgoblue2290]

How was Hanie "clearly" nervous before the 4th down play?

He just looked a little rushed getting up to the line and before the snap. Call the time out and take a little time to figure it out and get everything in place. Why the WR he threw it at was running a 10-15 yard pattern made no sense to me either. A little 5 yard curl or out to Olsen would've worked fine.

 

[Rush]

3rd and 4 running a WR sweep to Bennet was beyond retarded.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Guys like Martz, Sean Peyton, even Belichick, these guys are gamblers, they do goofy shit like this. When it works, people gush (the onside kick in the SB last year), when it fails, they look like dopes (Peyton & Belichick going for it on 4th deep in their own territory in their playoff loses this year, Belichick's 4th down fail vs the Colts last year, and this Bennett run today).

When you have these aggressive mindsets, you take the good with the bad.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Guys like Martz, Sean Peyton, even Belichick, these guys are gamblers, they do goofy shit like this. When it works, people gush (the onside kick in the SB last year), when it fails, they look like dopes (Peyton & Belichick going for it on 4th deep in their own territory in their playoff loses this year, Belichick's 4th down fail vs the Colts last year, and this Bennett run today).

When you have these aggressive mindsets, you take the good with the bad.

Gambling would be going over the top and trying to get a touch down, not running a WR reverse to the short side of the field on third and short went the defense is likely playing closer to the line of scrimmage. Even if they get the first, it is still a bad play call.

 

[FirstTimer]

He just looked a little rushed

He was "rushed" because it was 4th and 5 and the clock was running down in the NFC Championship game.

A little 5 yard curl or out to Olsen would've worked fine.

Olsen ran a 5yd out on the play.

All the timeouts in the world wouldn't have helped Hanie. The play he came in was the first time he took a snap running a Bears play since the bye week.....during the season.

 

[mgoblue2290]

He was "rushed" because it was 4th and 5 and the clock was running down in the NFC Championship game.


Olsen ran a 5yd out on the play.

All the timeouts in the world wouldn't have helped Hanie. The play he came in was the first time he took a snap running a Bears play since the bye week.....during the season.

I know it was 4th and 5, so they should've burned a time out and told him what the should look for because he is the third string quarterback and is obviously not very experienced in a clutch sitaution like that. I guess I missed Olsen's route.

 

[FirstTimer]

Guys like Martz, Sean Peyton, even Belichick, these guys are gamblers, they do goofy shit like this. When it works, people gush (the onside kick in the SB last year), when it fails, they look like dopes (Peyton & Belichick going for it on 4th deep in their own territory in their playoff loses this year, Belichick's 4th down fail vs the Colts last year, and this Bennett run today).

When you have these aggressive mindsets, you take the good with the bad.

Difference there. Those guys have all world QB's. You don't take gambles in NFC Championship games on 3rd and 4 with Caleb fucking Hanie at QB.

I know it was 4th and 5, so they should've burned a time out and told him what the should look for because he is the third string quarterback and is obviously not very experienced in a clutch sitaution like that. I guess I missed Olsen's route.

Ok burn the timeout there and what if they needed it later and didn't have it? Burning the timeout there doesn't really do much as Hanie was doing better on that drive during hurry up situations anyways. Calling a timeout there also gives the Packers the chance to set up some crazy as blitz call as well if they wanted to.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Difference there. Those guys have all world QB's. You don't take gambles in NFC Championship games on 3rd and 4 with Caleb fucking Hanie at QB.


Ok burn the timeout there and what if they needed it later and didn't have it? Burning the timeout there doesn't really do much as Hanie was doing better on that drive during hurry up situations anyways. Calling a timeout there also gives the Packers the chance to set up some crazy as blitz call as well if they wanted to.

You can't think about later on in that moment though. Its 4th down, game is on the line and you have to focus on that play, and that play alone. You can't think about what if you need it later one because this play is going to determine everything.

 

[NAHSTE]

No one claimed the Bears lost because of that play.

At least I haven't.

It was still a stupid fucking playcall.

I haven't either. But it was a stupid fucking playcall.

When you have these aggressive mindsets, you take the good with the bad.

I don't disagree with your overall point, but this wasn't the cause of an aggressive mindset. It seemed like a classic case of overthinking the situation. Forte/Taylor could have gotten that 3, or at least stood a better chance. And if not, you at least get positive yards and have a manageable 4th down. Gotta think north-south when it's 4-down territory. (And as much as I hate the phrase '4-down territory' it's applicable here.) This wasn't an aggressive playcall, it was a cute playcall.

 

[1ke]

The 2 slot guys ran outs, and the 2 outside guys ran posts. Forte coming out of the backfield more than likely would have been open.

Anyway...I didnt like the playcall, but its ok to try to block too. No scapegoats from me, just the need for better blocking, tackling, and throwing.

 

[FirstTimer]

You can't think about later on in that moment though

Ok,
I told you the logic for not using it at the time too.

Pick whatever one you want not using the timeout was fine. The timeout that hurt them was the one before the jet sweep because the Bears were in hurry up and had Green Bay on their heels.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Ok,
I told you the logic for not using it at the time too.

Pick whatever one you want not using the timeout was fine. The timeout that hurt them was the one before the jet sweep because the Bears were in hurry up and had Green Bay on their heels.

The moment changed once the WR reverse was called though. Green Baby got the big stop. I just think in that scenario, you call a time out and get your 3rd string QB settled down regardless of how he was doing in the hurry up. Yes it could've forced them to hurry up later on, but later one wasn't guaranteed seeing as its 4th down.

We're going in circles at this point, at least we can agree a WR reverse was absolutely ridiculous.

 

[FirstTimer]

The moment changed once the WR reverse was called though. .

Maybe the reverse works prior to the timeout when Green Bay is on it's heels. Plus the Forte run they audible d to looked like it had A LOT going for it at the snap. Either way it's a fucking stupid play call. Like I said, you don't try and get cute when you have a 3rd string QB in driving to try and tie the NFCCG. You can take that risk with Brady, Brees, or Manning. Not with Hanie.