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I don't use the phrase "Game Killer" lightly

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Imagine, if you will, buying NCAA Football and finding out when you get home that the QB couldn't throw the ball. Or that receivers couldn't catch. Or that backs couldn't run.

How long would you keep the game?

Now, I am one of the few hardcore sim guys on here that generally doesn't complain a lot. But there are bugs, there are glitches, and there are game killers. When a position refuses to perform the most basic functions of their position, that is a game killer.

Allow me to illustrate.

All of these pictures are from the same play, but they illustrate a recurring issue that happens on virtually every play run in zone.

Here is the presnap look.
presnaplook.jpg

Note the Sam backer, lined up directly behind the defensive end, head up on the inside tight end.

The play is going to be a zone slant to the side I am taking pictures of. The outside tight end will attempt to block our linebacker, while the inside TE takes the DE.

readstep.jpg

Here we see the linebacker taking what we call a "read step"... he steps up strongly, checking the backfield for tell tale signs that the play is a run. He might key on a guard, watching for the pull, the back, watching for a certain kind of step out of his stance, or, commonly, the quarterback to turn his back.

defensiveperspective.jpg

Here we see the play from the defensive perspective. Clearly, the QB has turned his back to the line of scrimmage, indicating a likely running play. Now, it could be play action, but if you look back at the previous image, you'll note the linebacker stepping up against the run, the safety dropping back into coverage. As neither can be sure 100% of pass or run, both are taking on the appropriate responsibility. Linebackers play the run, Defensive backs play the pass.

So, what in the sam hell is this?
droppingback.jpg

Where is the linebacker going?!?! The QBs back is still turned to the line of scrimmage, he's still moving toward the runningback, who's clearly looking to receive a hand off. All evidence to this point points to a run play. Where on earth does this linebacker think he's going?!?!

Oh, it gets worse..
outoftheplay.jpg

Yes, the ball has been handed off, the QB at this point (though not picture) has already given up all pretense of still having the ball, and yet, our brain dead linebacker has continued to fall into his zone responsibility. Could it be a halfback pass? Sure, but are you going to bet on this 10 yards from the endzone? Or any play?

I didn't take any more pictures, but suffice it to say the HB scored... he cut upfield immediately and went right down the middle of the defense. That linebacker was blocked mid-back-peddle and driven into the endzone.

Fact: The job of a linebacker is to play the run, first and foremost. It's their #1 responsibility. They fail to do this in this game, and that is the epitome of a game killer. I can live with flawed logic, but total lack of it I cannot.
 
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All 4 players(Sam, Corner, and both safeties) are standing straight up and moving backward in the last pic. lol @ NCAA. I'm so glad I gamefly'd it. I haven't even played a real non-RtG game in about 2 and a half weeks. I cant stomach this game.
 
Another interesting question would be, what the hell does the corner think he's doing? Look at his pre-snap alignment he's 15-20 yards outside of the widest player (TE/Wing). What exactly is he guarding from this spot? The ghost out-route.

He should split the difference between the 2nd-TE and the hash marks. He should react based on the actions of the TE's, and be ready to make that tackle. Not guarding a zone that NEVER has anybody near it.
 
so i guess we can go ahead and assume you wont be posting anymore of these bitching threads? since you have now found the game killer that will stop you from playing the game

of course if you did still bitch about the game then it wouldnt be uncommon since we have all sorts of d bags, some who never even played the game and some who played it a few times constantly complaining about the game.....

whats funny is these same guys rave about the madden demo....a game that has sucked ass for years, but plays the same as ncaa 10
 
so i guess we can go ahead and assume you wont be posting anymore of these bitching threads? since you have now found the game killer that will stop you from playing the game

I'm sorry, am I cluttering up your forum?I must have, because jeez, I must have posted at least a dozen threads like this by now, huh? Maybe you'd feel more at home at OS where everything gets closed. I posted this there too, and it's survived several hours now, maybe they've decided to allow people to opine now, not sure.
 
you guys still expecting too much and are too picky. Have your ever played football game without issues or bugs........NO!

Just play it and live with the issues.....still fun!
 
while it's probably still fun for some people, nobody in this thread is being too picky here.

That kind of stuff is ridiculous.
 
doubt it, historically the NCAA game has played like the previous year's madden game.

I would say, "Probably"... I bugged this twice at Tiburon, and I spent the majority of my complaint time on this issue, basically. I was told by Ian that it was fixed then saw the game again and it was not. I was hoping it would be, and I'm still holding out a little hope.

Judging by NCAA, it only seems to happen when you're in a pass-first defense like Nickle or Dime, which indicates to me they may have made a conscious decision to have it happen not happen in base (3-4, 4-3), but continue in other formations.
 
this is y i always play with the linebacker in the zone. and the fact that i can't play man coverage. i can control where i want the player to go, stopping a lot more runs
 
I typically play in a 425 and I haven't noticed this too much. I actually find the rover safeties are more inclined to step up and stop the run the step back and drop into coverage, but I haven't gone frame by frame in the replays yet.
 
I think the best position to be manually to stop the run is the FS or SS. If I see only 2 wr sets and I think they are going to run I pinch up manually with the FS or SS and just try and weasel my way in between the Oline to stop the run.
 
Shit like this, coupled with dline interceptions are exactly why this game will be traded in for madden in two weeks
 
I'm sorry, am I cluttering up your forum?I must have, because jeez, I must have posted at least a dozen threads like this by now, huh? Maybe you'd feel more at home at OS where everything gets closed. I posted this there too, and it's survived several hours now, maybe they've decided to allow people to opine now, not sure.

no man, thats not it. But its like your looking for a reason to hate the game. My feeling is if you hate it so much, then why play it?

its a game. Programmers cant make everything perfect. This kind of shit has been a part of EVERY football game ever made. this particular issue is something that has been apart of madden and ncaa for years. But honestly, this game plays much better and this isnt a huge problem this year

So what you dont know from those pics is the dee play call, the awareness and play recognition of the player. Not to mention, what sliders are you using? Cause there is a Rush Dee slider and with it at 50 for the CPU i hardly ever see this. With human at 15 i see it a bit more often, but thats because i chose to set it up that way.

This pictorial is subjective....this game plays great with the proper slider setup. Its an excellent challenge and the games are competitive.

Suluki posted about the D Line INT's.....turn the slider down and INT's are realistic and you dont see that crap.
 
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I must be the special one because none of that crazy shit happens when I play, in regards to the last two post.

Although Adem, and Sven are right, wtf are they doing. Thats just bad, you can see it as you run the play. I dont think it happens as much in man. Just be the LB and you have nothing to worry about.

I agree with Maynard too though about alot. All I have to add is why expectation levels all of the sudden got so high.
 
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