Is Calvin Johnson a top 5 WR?

[Nukleopatra]

After having a long discussion about Calvin Johnson being a top 5 NFL WR, due to his 1300 yard season in 2008, I decided to make this a poll. Now, before you vote, let's answer a few questions.

''Nuk, you have to understand the situation, he plays for Detroit.''

Detroit is currently ranked 20th in passing offense, which is better than Cincinnati, yet Chad Johnson is ranked 8 spots higher than Calvin Johnson.

Carolina is currently ranked 28th in passing offense, yet Steve Smith is only two yards behind Calvin Johnson, but 1 TD ahead of him.

Nate Burleson is currently more productive than Calvin Johnson, and Nate Burleson plays for a team that can't even finish .500 in the NFC West, and is Burleson even the #1 WR in Seattle? That's an actual question, because I'm clueless. He almost has to be, because how is Burleson more productive than Calvin Johnson?

During Calvin Johnson's rookie season, Detroit had the 9th best passing offense, yet didn't break 1,000 yards... Something A. Boldin did during his rookie season, with the 23rd ranked passing offense. There's so many examples/players to use, but why bother? You get my point. I can list guys I've never even heard of before, that had at least one good NFL season, with worse passing offenses than the 2007/2009 Detroit Lions, that none of us even once considered as a top 10 player at WR. But again, why bother?

To say Calvin Johnson is clearly a top 5 player at his position, after one good season, is completely absurd. If anything, we should be questioning whether or not he's a bust, which I am not ready to label him as.... but it's certainly more believable, than placing this guy in the top 5. Detroit, as bad as they are, isn't exactly the worst passing offense in the NFL. They're only 12 yards per game worse than the Denver Broncos, who have a WR ranked in the top 10. Calvin Johnson isn't even ranked in the top 20. Jesus Christ, people, Nate Burleson is more productive.... I didn't even know Burleson was even in the NFL until 2 hours ago.

So, you decide.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Let's use another example.

''lol @ Roy Williams. The guy was a fucking bust!''

Roy Williams' Three best seasons as a Lion.

42 games.
2,965 yards.
21 TDs.

Calvin Johnson's three best seasons as a Lion... Well, his only seasons as a Lion.

42 games.
2,854 yards.
20 TDs.
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Now ''Megatron'' does have a couple more games to play, so I'm sure he'll surpass Roy Williams in both yards a TDs, but if we didn't already know, we wouldn't be able to pick out the so called - bust. Hell, I even used Roy Williams' 2007 season, where he scored three less TDs than his 2005 season, which I didn't use. And during Roy Williams best season in Detroit, 2006, the team went 3-13. Roy Williams also had his best season without Calvin Johnson, the same cannot be said for Calvin Johnson, however. So, if Roy Williams is considered a bust, why is Calvin Johnson considered a top 5 NFL WR?

Just something to think about before you click the vote button.

 

[Buzzman]

coppied from other thread

Please, Calvin Johnson has not played a healthy game since week 3. Hes played hurt all year. its a knee/hammy thats hurting him too and for a WR thats crucial. Then you add on the fact thats hes double even triple covered nearly every play cause hes the only offensive weapon, and lets tack on the fact he has a really inaccurate Qb throwing him the ball. Of course hes gonna have a bad year this season. Hell its funny I say hes gonna have a bad season when he'll prob have 1000 yards and 6 TDs. Which would be a outstanding year for Burleson.

I would be willing to bet if Stafford and Calvin never got injured this year, Calvin would have 1400 yards and 13-15 TDs. Another thing to add is, last game vs Baltimore he only had 4 rec for 37 yards but there was twice when Calvin broke free and beat both the saftey and CB but Culpepper underthrew him by 10 yards which resulted ni a pick and what would have been another one had Calvin not ran back and played defense.

BTW Notice: Calvin Johnson his rookie year gave only 1 interview and in that interview said when he injured his back in his first game it never healed because Martz made him practice everyday and that he had to take pills just to walk during the week. Considering he played all season, I think his 700 yards were impressive and that he played every game shows his toughness.

The Only thing that can stop Calvin Johnson is injuries.

 

[Nukleopatra]

I'm not here to argue the matter, Buzz. I did that in another thread.

It's a poll, you simply vote.

If you believe this hack is a top 5 WR, then you vote him as that.

 

[Buzzman]

I'm not here to argue the matter, Buzz. I did that in another thread.

It's a poll, you simply vote.

If you believe this hack is a top 5 WR, then you vote him as that.

so you tell people to read all the bad shit you write before they vote but they can here a rebuttal? You cant just put up a poll and list only the things that help your choice and leave out the rest.

 

[Nukleopatra]

so you tell people to read all the bad shit you write before they vote but they can here a rebuttal? You cant just put up a poll and list only the things that help your choice and leave out the rest.

Not at all. I listed some positive things.

A few posts up, I posted stats that prove he's just as good as Roy Williams.

I'm a fair guy, Buzz.

 

[SHOGUN]

While Calvin Johnson definitely has Top 5 potential, he is not a Top 5 receiver at this point in his career. People are so enamored with his insane measurables that they want to crown him early, but right now he's a fringe Top 10 receiver.

 

[Nukleopatra]

While Calvin Johnson definitely has Top 5 potential, he is not a Top 5 receiver at this point in his career. People are so enamored with his insane measurables that they want to crown him early, but right now he's a fringe Top 10 receiver.

I wonder how many people added David Boston to their top 5, when he put up a 1,600 yard season?

I'm thinking this bandwagon will come crumbling down just as hard, as that one did.

 

[Buzzman]

dont you mean Mr Steriods

 

[Esjay]

People definitely let his physical skills cloud their judgment.

My top 10 would probably not include him at this point.

 

[Nukleopatra]

People definitely let his physical skills cloud their judgment.

My top 10 would probably not include him at this point.

I'm not even arguing against top 10. No, he's not in my top 10, but I wouldn't argue against it. But top 5?

That's a pretty big fucking cloud.

 

[Irish]

Top 5 talent and top 5 potential.

But until i see top 5 production he should not be on anyones list of top 5 receivers.

 

[adembroski]

Nuk, you really need to become a baseball fan.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Nuk, you really need to become a baseball fan.

I am.

Yankees, baby.

 

[Nukleopatra]

lol @ Buzzman neg repping me because the Yankees have a top 5 player in MLB, and eventually of all-time, and his Lions don't even have a top 10 player at his position.

 

[Goober]

Fuck that faggot Johnson for sucking it up on my fantasy team. Dude sucks.

 

[Buzzman]

I had him in fantasy this year as well and even though I still feel he killed me along with Steve Smith he stll avg 16 ppg fantasy wise which was the 3rd best on my team behind Rice and Romo.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Top 5 in talent and potential? Of course. In fact going into this season, based on last years numbers I would have had him top 5, but after seeing how this year has gone, he might crack my top 10 but I know thats just the homer in me having some affect.

People need to realize that when deciding top players all that matters is what has been accomplished, not what could be accomplished. I think Calvin will be top 5 one day, he could be the best in the league one day, but he hasn't shown it on the field...yet.

 

[jaxjaggywires]

He's not, right now, in the top 5 group...

His rookie season was fairly standard to above average for a highly drafted rookie WR. His second season, he really came on and showed what he can do. 78 catches, over 17 yards per catch and a dozen TDs do not a bust make.

This year, his production has taken a serious step back, but injuries have played a part in that. We'll see how he steps it up next year to see if he can get 2008 back.

 

[Bmore]

I would put Derrick Mason, Greg Jennings and Dwayne Bowe in the top 5 before I put Calvin Johnson. Look at the stats and watch the games lol.

Right now he is under achieving and skill matches his potential, he won't crack the top 5 or 10 for me.

I still can't believe Madden has him as a 97ovr