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Josh Freeman likely to seek trade

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With the relationship between Tampa Bay Buccaneers starting quarterback Josh Freeman and coach Greg Schiano seen by league and team sources as beyond repair, Freeman is likely to ask for a deal ahead of next month's trade deadline. Schiano, whose tenure already stands at a perilous point despite coaching just 17 NFL games, further alienated the quarterback by revealing why he was absent for a team photo, and the lack of trust between the men has long been no secret in that locker room.

Furthermore, several executives on other clubs believe Schiano's refusal to ever really endorse Freeman is an attempt to undermine general manager Mark Dominik, who drafted Freeman in the first round prior to Schiano's arrival from Rutgers and who has also worked diligently to add talent to that roster in recent years. Many around the league believe Schiano would like to have full roster control as well, viewing Freeman -- who threw for over 4,000 yards and nearly 30 touchdowns last year -- as a pawn in a would-be power struggle.

Tampa's drafting of quarterback Mike Glennon in the third round this spring -- Glennon is clearly seen as “Schiano's guy” within the organization -- is just another indication that Freeman's future is elsewhere. In the final year of his rookie deal, with his value being undermined by the head coach, and with the Bucs making no attempts to extend him, a trade request by Freeman is one of few options available to the youngster.

Freeman has been as good as any quarterback in the NFL for stretches at times, but has also struggled with consistency, Still, with his position still in need and him standing 6-5 with some unique athletic traits, a big arm, and still just 25 (younger than Colin Kaepernick and Andy Dalton, for example), there is surely a market for the player, though the Bucs would likely seek a lot in compensation should they actually shop him.

Of the teams in need of a quarterback upgrade, Minnesota, Tennessee and Oakland leap to mind as potential candidates for a trade, though the possible strength of this upcoming college quarterback class could mitigate demand via trade. Still, it wasn't that long ago Carson Palmer was dealt from the Bengals to the Raiders in-season. So while it is hardly a regular occurrence in the NFL, there is some precedent.

Freeman is just entering his prime and set most of Tampa's single-season quarterback marks a year ago (he also holds many of the all-time franchise marks). Through his first four years in the NFL, he has thrown for more yards, more touchdowns and less interceptions than Joe Montana and John Elway, to name a few, and fewer interceptions (18 fewer) than Peyton Manning. And, furthermore, Freeman has done it despite playing with a new coordinator almost every year. And his win-loss record would look decidedly better if not for the 10 fourth-quarter leads Tampa has blown since he arrived.

Freeman, it should be noted, was not the problem in Tampa's woeful Week 1 loss at the Jets. He actually rallied the team to take the lead in the fourth quarter, only for Schiano's defense to once again display its issues with discipline as Lavonte David's personal foul allowed the Jets to kick a game-winning field goal with time expiring. Four times last year Freeman rallied the Bucs late, only for that defense to hand the game away. The timing of Schiano's remarks about the quarterback this week were seen as curious by several rival team officials. Officials perceived the remarks as a diversionary tactic to get the local media writing about the quarterback instead of about another collapse by Schiano's defense. A defense reinforced this past offseason with the arrival of Pro Bowl corner Darrelle Revis and Pro Bowl safety Dashon Goldson

Schiano has struggled to connect with his players, sources said, and is seen as being inflexible and rigid, characteristics that players are generally more willing to endorse if the coach has a pedigree of winning at this level (like Bill Belichick). But Belichick is also not known for talking publicly about his quarterback, of all people, the way Schiano has, and the Bucs situation -- which also includes players contracting MRSA at the team facility, and them bristling at the way Schiano characterized their condition afterwards -- could well further implode.

Perhaps it will do so without Freeman on the roster, as the situation between him and the coach is likely to continue to fester, with a formal trade request expected.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...eers-qb-josh-freeman-expected-to-seek-a-trade

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With how many teams would Freeman represent a clear upgrade?

I don't think you can count Jets, Browns, Raiders, Dolphins, etc because they are going to give their young players a fair shot to develop, and some of those guys are no worse than Freeman and might even be better.

So I count three. Jaguars. Titans. Vikings.

If you are one of those teams, what kind of assets are you willing to move for Freeman? 4th rounder? 6th? I can't imagine he'd be worth more, plus he's a FA.

Freeman's career QB Rating is below 80. His completion percentage in under 60%. In a passing era, his numbers are very 1970's. And i'm not going to touch his maturity issues.
 
All the Minnesota people I know think Ponder>Freeman still. Freeman is a clown, and a bad football player to boot.
 
With how many teams would Freeman represent a clear upgrade?

I don't think you can count Jets, Browns, Raiders, Dolphins, etc because they are going to give their young players a fair shot to develop, and some of those guys are no worse than Freeman and might even be better.

So I count three. Jaguars. Titans. Vikings.

If you are one of those teams, what kind of assets are you willing to move for Freeman? 4th rounder? 6th? I can't imagine he'd be worth more, plus he's a FA.

Freeman's career QB Rating is below 80. His completion percentage in under 60%. In a passing era, his numbers are very 1970's. And i'm not going to touch his maturity issues.

Jaguars I think you can count out, because they seem to be fine with blowing the season, evaluating talent including Gabbert (even though there isn't much left to evaluate.) As stated above as well, many Vikings fans think Ponder is better than Freeman. The Titans are a real option, and I think you can throw the Browns back in there depending on how the front office views their chances of the division are, as it's a weak one so far.
 
I was on the fence with Cleveland because they seem to like Weeden (for now). I do think Freeman is better than him, but again, i'm not giving up valuable assets for the guy.
 
I was on the fence with Cleveland because they seem to like Weeden (for now). I do think Freeman is better than him, but again, i'm not giving up valuable assets for the guy.

Right, and then there is the fact that he's going to come in, have little concept of the offense aside from some film, so you're going to be running a restricted offense. Freeman's not a significant talent upgrade to restrict yourself like that, especially with the impending FA status.

This is just a trainwreck of a situation for TB. I have a feeling both Schiano and Freeman are gone after this season.
 
I'd rather the Raiders work with Pryor than deal with Freeman.

The author of this article does his best to defend Freeman and make Schiano look like the bad guy but from all the reports I've read it really sounds like Freeman is a jackass.

Schiano is a hard nosed coach and probably a huge asshole. But just by watching the Bucs defense play you can tell the team is playing hard. They're a bit undisciplined and overly aggressive but that is Schiano's mentality. He has them playing hard even though it's well known to everyone that he's not a fan of his own quarterback.
 
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I'd rather sign Tebow as a quarterback than trade for Josh Freeman. He'll never be better than your token sub middle of the road quarterback, a guy that would rank on any given season 17-25 overall on the QB pecking order. He's just not that good. He stinks. He's not very accurate. Not very efficient. Turns the ball over too much. He's going to be very disappointed at his value when he hits the market in the off-season.

I'd take 5-6 rookies from the 2014 draft, knowing at least half will be complete bums. They'll at least be cheaper.
 
Big bucs in the chatbox saying it wasn't Freeman's fault the Buccaneers lost today.

9/22 for 125 yards with two turnovers. :dd:
 
I don't want Freeman anywhere near the Titans. This is Locker's team and he should be given the year to prove that he's the right guy to lead the franchise.
 
So I count three. Jaguars. Titans. Vikings.

along with these 3 i'd add cleveland.

however, minnesota, tenn, and cleveland all think the QB they have now can still be their franchise qb, so like you said they're going to give them a chance to prove themselves. and i would honestly say all three are equal to freeman. all three teams would be going sideways with this trade as they'd probably have to give up some talent.

jacksonville with gabbert it would be an upgrade for sure, but who do they offer on that roster? and that team needs to stockpile picks not mid tier qb's.

i believe freeman stays in tampa through the season.

if al davis was alive though, he'd be a raider tomorrow
 
Its too easy to do well at QB for him not to be succeeding connsistently ....but hes in TB so its rather unfair to say anything definitive.
Not saying he will , but if he went somewhere else and did well you guys would really be surprised ?
Hes absolutely worth a look and some mid or low level picks to the teams mentioned. No reason to be having this much trouble at QB as some of those teams above are having.
 
This is a failure that can be attributed to both parties. Schiano is apparently a huge cock and Freeman has yet to really embrace the role of leader and has been rather non-committal on his future in TB. Plus, all that other shit that was leaked last week, I'm not shocked by this kind of speculation at all.
 
Its too easy to do well at QB for him not to be succeeding connsistently ....but hes in TB so its rather unfair to say anything definitive.
Not saying he will , but if he went somewhere else and did well you guys would really be surprised ?
Hes absolutely worth a look and some mid or low level picks to the teams mentioned. No reason to be having this much trouble at QB as some of those teams above are having.

They have a good set of weapons around him on offense. A great running back. A good enough offensive line. And a group of wideouts that would be in the top half of the league.

When you're a 50/50 passer, you're a 50/50 passer and that just means you stink...you might get a pass when a team is attempting to build around you to get some weapons, but Tampa has a ton on offense to work with. If you put an efficient game manager like Alex Smith on the team (a middle of the road quarterback) this is a playoff Tampa team.
 
Here's he's offering himself as a package deal with Kerry Rhodes. If you catch my drift..

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