Lackey takes physical for Red Sox

[Yawkey Way]

Uhhh...not sure how i feel about this. Lackey is a big game pitcher, and a front of the rotation type guy and I wouldn't mind having him. But he is on the wrong side of 30 and i don't know if we need to commit 5 years and 85 million to another starting pitcher when Clay is coming off a great end to the season.


If this in turn means that we can also get Adrian Gonzalez in a trade, then yeah i'll be all for it.

 

[Yawkey Way]

the Sox and Lackey have agreed on a 5yr 85 million dollar deal.




Very nice.

 

[Mogriffjr]

Decent...I feel he's equal in value to Burnett with higher upside because he's a big game pitcher...but his injuries lately concern me to his shoulder and he's 31 already...

 

[EmpireWF]

5-years is risky but Boston should get at least two very good to great years out of him. As a #3 pitcher, he's awesome value.

 

[Yawkey Way]

with this, i'm pretty sure this opens the door to the Red Sox acquiring Adrian Gonzalez.




Bomb.

 

[EmpireWF]

with this, i'm pretty sure this opens the door to the Red Sox acquiring Adrian Gonzalez.


Bomb.

Boston has said they would refuse to trade a combination of their top prospects. Signing the 30+ year old changes that?

 

[Yawkey Way]

yes I think so. Talks have "just started up again" with the Pads over Gonzalez, you don't think it's a little funny seeing as we're now signing Lackey?

Adrian Gonzalez and Clay Buchholz are only like a year or two apart age wise anyways, it's not like we're trading for another veteran. Gonzalez can rake when he plays in the cavern that is PetCo park, what do you think he can do in the AL? He's definitely worth it as long as we keep Westmoreland.

 

[EmpireWF]

I think AGonzo is capable of being one of the best players in the game.

If Boston is willing to give up the prospects, then there probably is no reason why they won't get him.

 

[Yawkey Way]

I think he's already one of the best hitters in the game. Just often over looked because San Diego is out of it come June.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

sorry, but no way you get a-gonz, they have no incentive to trade him

how does this singing change the scenario at all?

 

[Yawkey Way]

They have no incentive to trade him?


Hoyer said if the Sox were willing to talk Buchholz they could try it. Not to mention there is speculation the two teams are working towards a deal again. I don't see how you can say there is no chance.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

They have no incentive to trade him?


Hoyer said if the Sox were willing to talk Buchholz they could try it. Not to mention there is speculation the two teams are working towards a deal again. I don't see how you can say there is no chance.

no. this isnt right. they dont just want bucholz, they want AT LEAST Clay Buchholz and either Casey Kelly or Ryan Westmoreland

this would be undoubtedly with more mid-level prospects

i can see how it could make some sense, but theres no way you give up that much for one player

 

[Yawkey Way]

I would give up a Buchholz/Kelly/Lars Anderson/Fuentes package. I know Theo is very cautious with his prospects, but you gotta pull the trigger sometime and this seems like the perfect opportunity.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

I would give up a Buchholz/Kelly/Lars Anderson/Fuentes package. I know Theo is very cautious with his prospects, but you gotta pull the trigger sometime and this seems like the perfect opportunity.

i think thats what it would take and it would make sense. im with you in the sense that i would do it in your situation

but no way theo or any level headed gm gives up this much possible talent for one player

 

[Yawkey Way]

:shifty:


Casey Kelly=Has never gone a full year as a pitcher. He hasn't gone above Class A. He's a great prospect, but still has a ways to go.

Lars Anderson is useless to us with A Gonzo, that's pretty apparent.

Buchholz is the guy I wouldn't like to see go because he's going to be good, but sometimes you need to make those tough moves. We traded away Hanley and ended up with an Ace and a World Series ring. Sure we're hurting at SS now, but we still contend year in and year out.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

:shifty:


Casey Kelly=Has never gone a full year as a pitcher. He hasn't gone above Class A. He's a great prospect, but still has a ways to go.

Lars Anderson is useless to us with A Gonzo, that's pretty apparent.

Buchholz is the guy I wouldn't like to see go because he's going to be good, but sometimes you need to make those tough moves. We traded away Hanley and ended up with an Ace and a World Series ring. Sure we're hurting at SS now, but we still contend year in and year out.

ill state once again, i dont think it would be a bad move, id do it probably

but in a sport where every move is criticized so much, just one of those players could turn around an organization. i mean if both anderson and bucholz pan out, their value over the next 3-5 years could arguably equal gonzos value for the next year or two

let alone adding kelly to that, who you said it yourself, is a great prospect

great prospects are worth A LOT in the game, especially today where finances are tight

i just dont see a team giving up a top tier prosepect, a high prosepect, and an MLB ready possibly soon-to-be ace for a couple years of agonzo

just my 2 cents

 

[Yawkey Way]

Yeah i see where you're coming from, but Lars is coming off a rough year and IIRC his good seasons have been in minor league versions of hitter ballparks. Petco will do damage to a lot of power hitters, so we could get away with that.

I'm not comfortable with giving up both Kelly and Bucky, but i wouldn't be against it.



It's all in Theo's hands.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

Yeah i see where you're coming from, but Lars is coming off a rough year and IIRC his good seasons have been in minor league versions of hitter ballparks. Petco will do damage to a lot of power hitters, so we could get away with that.

I'm not comfortable with giving up both Kelly and Bucky, but i wouldn't be against it.



It's all in Theo's hands.

words to live by. its all in theos hands. lol

and yeah, i guess after this i can see it happening, it would just surprise me a little (also scare me shitless being a giants fan, im not scared of the pads now, but with these prospects in a couple of years? oh shit)

and i also have a question, does this signing rule out you resigning jason bay (even though it seems as if you two wouldnt before this)

 

[Yawkey Way]

i wouldn't say it rules it out but it definitely diminishes it even more.


Matt Holliday was a more realistic chance than Bay judging by yesterdays news although neither were probably going to end up in Boston.

Wouldn't mind us going after a guy like Mike Cameron though. Possibly a 1 year deal for a lot of money, that way we can still be players next year in FA when Lowells/Ortiz's contracts are off the books and we don't have to worry about paying Holliday or Bay.

Thats the one thing that scares me about Lackey's deal, the dollar amount.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

i wouldn't say it rules it out but it definitely diminishes it even more.


Matt Holliday was a more realistic chance than Bay judging by yesterdays news although neither were probably going to end up in Boston.

Wouldn't mind us going after a guy like Mike Cameron though. Possibly a 1 year deal for a lot of money, that way we can still be players next year in FA when Lowells/Ortiz's contracts are off the books and we don't have to worry about paying Holliday or Bay.

Thats the one thing that scares me about Lackey's deal, the dollar amount.

I agree, i think cameron will possibly be the steal of this FA class

so i guess your finances are ok if you can afford to sign holliday

and also, if i was a red sox fan, id be more scared at the fact that its five years

rooting for san fran, ill let you know there is nothing worse knowing that you are paying some guy exponential amounts of money to pitch when theyre old, untradeable, and at the end of their contracts