Matt Ryan vs. Joe Flacco

[Blick]

Matt Ryan

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattryan/310/careerstats

885-1456 (60.8%) 10,061 yards, 66 TD's, 34 INT's, 86.9 rating

Grade given by J Hen: A - The very definition of a young QB who has came into the league and had success right away. Took a huge step in his progression this past season. Fully expect +4,000 yard 30+ TDs and 10 or less INTs this year.

What have ya done for me lately?

Lost in the playoffs 48-21 to Green Bay in Atlanta, going 20-29, 186 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT's, 69 rating


Joe Flacco

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

878-1416 (62%) 10,206 yards, 60 TD's, 34 INT's, 87.9 rating

Grade given by ralaw: B - Flacco is cerainly the best QB Baltimore has had in many years, but IMO he’s still far from really being the guy that can carry the franchise. He’ll have games where he’s great and games when you wonder where his head is. Has to get better in his progressions, reads, and ball security....and show up against the Steelers.

What have ya done for me lately?

Won in the playoffs 30-7 in Kansas City, going 25-34, 265 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's, 115.4 rating

Lost in the playoffs at Pittsburgh, going 16-30, 125 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 61.1 rating


My thoughts...

It seems like Flacco is underappreciated because he can't get over the hump against Pittsburgh. Flacco has certainly had some ugly games in the playoffs so far in his young career and those games seem to overshadow his accomplishments. He looked much better in the playoffs last year. He went into a hostile environment in Kansas City with poise and confidence, and repeatedly took advantage of the Chiefs' young, but talented secondary. He was not free from pressure either(sacked 4 times), but when given time, he outclassed the Chiefs. I came away from that game extremely impressed with Flacco.

Now, I'm not saying that I think Flacco is better than Ryan. I'm not sure what I think, yet. I just think it's interesting that Ryan is almost universally considered the better player when they seem to be very similar and Ryan hasn't even won a playoff game. Like J Hen points out, Ryan has been successful as soon as he stepped into the league. You can say the same thing about Flacco, but it isn't said as much. I think Atlanta fans would argue that Ryan is the leader of the team and capable of carrying the franchise, while ralaw believes that Flacco isn't close to being that guy...even though they have almost identical numbers. Is that because Ryan was drafted #3 overall and is the face of his franchise? Is it because Atlanta seems to have a more vocal and supportive fan base? Just some things I was wondering about when reading the grades on these players and looking at how they are perceived on the board.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

I definitely think Ryan > Flacco.

And I was someone who thought Ryan wouldn't amount to much in the pros.

 

[Bmore]

I definitely think Ryan > Flacco.

And I was someone who thought Ryan wouldn't amount to much in the pros.

and your also a Falcons fan. :smug:

 

[Bmore]

(on topic)

Right now, Matt Ryan is better. No doubt about it.

However, as I've said many times. Joe Flacco will have the better career and further more if there wasn't a team located in Pittsburgh to knock him out of the playoffs twice, then Joe would at least have one ring ((IMO Ravens would have beaten Cards, most likely lost to Packers))

Long story short, currently Ryans better, but down the road I can't see how Flacco won't pass him up. (even though statistically he has already done so...)

 

[ralaw]

I really like Flacco as he has a very strong arm, can make all of the throws and when he's on the Ravens offense is dangerous; however, as a Ravens fan I've seen too many times where he just doesn't seem to be all there. I don't know what it is. He obviously struggles against Pittsburgh which as a Ravens fan is a huge issue for me. Flacco has played in 7 playoff games. Of those, he's had 2 good games, both against teams that weren't very good (Miami and Kansas City). In games against Tennessee, Pittsburgh (twice), New England, and Indianapolis he's been horrible. In those games the Ravens managed to get 2 wins in spite of him - not because of him. Flacco has just one game with at least 200 yards passing in the postseason. However, he also has had his moments where he’s made some clutch throws (Tennessee playoff game and the first Pittsburgh game in Pittsburgh), so there is hope.

Having said all of that though I really like Joe Flacco and he's also a young QB that the Ravens can build around. In due time I feel he’ll improve in the playoffs and become an elite (second tier) QB. He is improving every year and making the playoffs every year and showing he can win road playoff games every year, so in the end there isn’t much to complain about; however, as the defense continues to age I hope that he continues to improve so that the burden to be successfully falls on him and the offense. I do feel as though he gets a ton more criticism than Matt Ryan who most people seem to love. The both of them are closer than what people would like to believe.

 

[manchild24]

Comparing the numbers side by side Flaco looks like the better QB. Remember the press made Ryan the "golden boy" of that draft and Flaco was criticized for even being drafted.

@Blick - good point about underappreciated, their D gets all the love not the O

 

[j.hen]

@Blick - good point about underappreciated, their D gets all the love not the O

And rightfully so. Also when comparing stats It should be noted that Flacco has played in 3 more games then Matt since he had a foot injury in his sophomore year which was supposed to sideline him for the rest of the season, even though he came back and won out the rest of the season.... jus sayin'

 

[Bmore]

And rightfully so. Also when comparing stats It should be noted that Flacco has played in 3 more games then Matt since he had a foot injury in his sophomore year which was supposed to sideline him for the rest of the season, even though he came back and won out the rest of the season.... jus sayin'

Yes... but Ryan also made 40 more attempts and only 7 more completions.

 

[j.hen]

(on topic)

Right now, Matt Ryan is better. No doubt about it.

However, as I've said many times. Joe Flacco will have the better career and further more if there wasn't a team located in Pittsburgh to knock him out of the playoffs twice, then Joe would at least have one ring ((IMO Ravens would have beaten Cards, most likely lost to Packers))

Long story short, currently Ryans better, but down the road I can't see how Flacco won't pass him up. (even though statistically he has already done so...)

Matt Ryan is and will always be the better QB. The Roddy/Julio combination will do him wonders. Joe Flacco will forever be looking up to Matt Ryan.

 

[j.hen]

Yes... but Ryan also made 40 more attempts and only 7 more completions.

And that has nothing to do with anything...? Flaccos played in 3 more GAMES.

 

[Bmore]

And that has nothing to do with anything...? Flaccos played in 3 more GAMES.

Games don't mean shit if the offensive coordinator isn't calling pass plays.

There stats will be compared based on Attempts, Completions, TDs, and INT's

 

[j.hen]

Games don't mean shit if the offensive coordinator isn't calling pass plays.

There stats will be compared based on Attempts, Completions, TDs, and INT's

Games played mean everything when comparing players. Maybe the offensive coordinator would call more pass plays if he had more confidence in his QB.

 

[Bmore]

Games played mean everything when comparing players. Maybe the offensive coordinator would call more pass plays if he had more confidence in his QB.

or the fact that he has 3 able HB's in Rice, McGahee and Mcclain?

 

[Point Blank]

Omg, Bmore finally admitted it. :laugh:

 

[EmpireWF]

Ryan has played better in his first 2 playoff games than Flacco did.

Ryan is more consistent but they do have similar overall numbers.

Neither has gotten to a Super Bowl yet though so fuck em both.

 

[manchild24]

you cant nit pick over stats, then you get into the whole "he threw 40 more passes" "he played one more game" You really cant do it. They were drafted the same year (am I correct there?) so to me they have been in the league the same about of time and have pretty similar numbers.

 

[Blick]

you cant nit pick over stats, then you get into the whole "he threw 40 more passes" "he played one more game" You really cant do it. They were drafted the same year (am I correct there?) so to me they have been in the league the same about of time and have pretty similar numbers.

Yes, 2008

 

[kmanharris]

lol @ the "but hes played 3 more games" argument when Ryan still has more 40 more attempts. Since when does games played matter when comparing stats? Unless it is a season or more, who the fuck cares?

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

They are soooo close. In fact everytime I've ever made a list I always put these guys back to back.

I have no problem at all with anybody taking Flacco > Ryan or Ryan > Flacco.

Maybe Flacco would have more pass attempts if the Ravens didn't have so many good RB's.

But Turner + Snelling + Norwoood ain't bad neither. Now I know, Turner is the man. But Snelling had a badass game week 2 last year when Turner got injured. And a healthy Norwood is a good 2nd/3rd option. Don't sleep on them backups.

Ryan is about to have that White/Jones connection, and Flacco's WR corpse looks old and on the verge of falling apart, so I expect Ryan to surge ahead in the coming years.

But as is today, IMO, It's Flacco = Ryan.

 

[Aso]

Ryan > Flacco. Stop looking at the numbers and watch the games.