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Mel Kiper's draft grades

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Sorry for being so late with this guys. Just noticed it.


It took two days, but the NFL draft is over and now is the fun part, as every team's fans get to see their new players try on the jersey and hopefully report to camp on time. Let's take a look at my grades for each team's draft.

Green Bay Packers: GRADE: A
I love what this team did to solidify its shaky defense in the first two picks alone, with the selection of two excellent players in defensive tackle B.J. Raji and outside linebacker Clay Matthews. Tackle T.J. Lang was a good pickup for the offensive line, while Quinn Johnson could be a bruising lead fullback in the league. Sixth-round pick Brandon Underwood could make this team and give the Packers depth as a backup.

New York Jets: GRADE: A-
The motto of the Jets' draft was quality over quantity. Mark Sanchez's selection made this team's draft because he's a franchise-maker. New coach Rex Ryan likes his defense, so the organization felt it could focus on the offense in his first draft. The Jets picked up Iowa running back Shonn Greene, who will fit into the rotation with Leon Washington and Thomas Jones. Guard Matthew Slauson was an OK pick in the sixth round, but the key to this draft is up top with Greene and Sanchez.

Arizona Cardinals: GRADE: B+
Chris Wells was a major acquisition for the Cardinals in the first round of this draft. He was a bargain for a team that was in dire need of a running back to rotate in with second-year back Tim Hightower. Wells gives this team the home run threat that the running game was sorely lacking last season. In addition to Wells, I liked the Cody Brown pick in the second round because he should be a good 3-4 rushing end in the Cardinals' system. Bringing in LSU offensive lineman Herman Johnson in the fifth round and Illinois defensive end Will Davis in the sixth were good pickups for this organization. While I thought Johnson was a bit overrated, he is huge and will give the line a big presence when he's on the field.

Buffalo Bills: GRADE: B+
Aaron Maybin was the pass-rusher this team needed to anchor the defensive line. On the other side of the line, the selections of center Eric Wood and guard Andrew Levitre in the second round were excellent picks. Wood is a very good center and Levitre very well may be the best guard in this draft. Also, Jairus Byrd's ball skills could help him become a very good nickelback in this league. They got the tight end they needed in Shawn Nelson to give this offense another weapon. The reason this team didn't receive an A is because it didn't get a right or a left tackle, which I thought was a need with the trade of offensive tackle Jason Peters.

2009 Draft: Texans No. 15 pick

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The Texans select Brian Cushing with the No. 15 pick in the 2009 Draft.
Houston Texans: GRADE: B+
This was a very productive draft, as the Texans' first five picks (Brian Cushing, Connor Barwin, Antoine Caldwell, Glover Quin and Anthony Hill) will all contribute quickly. These are solid football players and I really like the Barwin pick. Look for sixth-rounder Brice McCain and seventh-round selection Troy Nolan to also compete for playing time.

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New England Patriots: GRADE: B+
You have to give the Patriots credit for acquiring even more picks for next year's draft. Safety Patrick Chung, defensive tackle Ron Brace and cornerback Darius Butler were all good selections in the second round, although offensive tackle Sebastian Vollmer was a reach. Wide receiver Brandon Tate was a decent third-round pick and I really like the sixth-round selection of Jacob Ingram, the best long snapper in the draft.

San Francisco 49ers: GRADE: B+
Obviously the 49ers hit the jackpot with wide receiver Michael Crabtree falling to them at No. 10. Running back Glen Coffee gives the 49ers a nice one-two punch with Frank Gore. Getting inside linebacker Scott McKillop in the fifth round was a steal. Bear Pascoe is one of the best blocking tight ends in the draft, and the two LSU kids (Curtis Taylor and Ricky Jean-Francois) were great pickups in the seventh round.

Atlanta Falcons: GRADE: B
The Falcons did a good job early with the Peria Jerry pick in the first round and the selection of safety William Moore in the second. I really like the Moore pick because if he is able to get healthy, he could be one of the top steals of this draft. He has a tremendous amount of talent and could be a superstar for this franchise. Overall, the Falcons did a nice job for the second year in a row.

2009 Draft: Ravens No. 23 pick

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The Ravens swap with the Patriots to take OT Michael Oher with the No. 23 pick.
Baltimore Ravens: GRADE: B
First-round selection Michael Oher gives this team great flexibility on the offensive line because he can play right or left tackle for the Ravens. Second-round pick Paul Kruger has the ability to play immediately in this league and may push for ample playing time. Also, Lardarius Webb is a little light at around 180 pounds, but with the help of an experienced safety to support him, he can definitely play cornerback in this league. I love the fifth-round selection of inside linebacker Jason Phillips. He's going to fit in very well with this talented group of linebackers.

Chicago Bears: GRADE: B
I think Jarron Gilbert is one of the steals of the draft. Wide receiver Juaquin Iglesias was a good pick, as were cornerback D.J. Moore and wide receiver Johnny Knox. Seventh-round pick Derek Kinder could turn out to be quite a sleeper if he's able to return to his strong level of play before his injury a couple of years ago.

Cincinnati Bengals: GRADE: B
The Bengals had a lot of picks and they did a good job getting good quality with their quantity. Andre Smith, Rey Maualuga and Michael Johnson are great ways to start a draft for any team. These guys could fill big holes for the Bengals. The fourth-round selection of offensive lineman Jonathan Luigs was a little high, but it wasn't crazy. The late-round picks weren't anything to write home about, but they did a good job of getting strength in numbers and getting some depth for their team.

New York Giants: GRADE: B
The selection of first-round wide receiver Hakeem Nicks could be a good one, but he really needs to keep his weight up to make an impact in the NFL. I like the selection of offensive tackle William Beatty in the second round and wide receiver Ramses Barden in the third round. They made some good selections late in the draft with running back Andre Brown in the fourth and the two defensive backs in the sixth and seventh rounds: DeAndre Wright and Stoney Woodson.

Pittsburgh Steelers: GRADE: B
First-round selection Evander Hood was a good pick because he should fit in well as a defensive tackle in the Steelers' system. I love third-round wide receiver Mike Wallace's speed. Cornerback Joe Burnett and running back Frank Summers were good selections in the fifth round. Defensive tackle Ra'Shon Harris could be a steal out of the sixth round.

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The Seahawks select Aaron Curry with the No. 4 pick in the 2009 draft.
Seattle Seahawks: GRADE: B
The Seahawks passed on Sanchez to get Aaron Curry, and while I don't agree with the pick, it's not a bad pick for the Hawks, especially since Curry was the No. 1 player on my board. Max Unger is an excellent fit for this offensive line and wide receiver Deon Butler reminds me of Bobby Engram. I don't understand the Mike Teel pick in the sixth round because there were better quarterbacks out there, but the selection of safety Courtney Greene in the seventh round was a great selection.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: GRADE: B
The Bucs could've stayed where they were and still gotten Josh Freeman, so I don't understand the decision to trade up for him. He has a lot of upside, but he's a risk/reward type of player because he isn't as polished as some of the other top quarterbacks in this draft. The Bucs made some very solid picks throughout the draft, including defensive end Kyle Moore in the fourth round and wide receiver Sammie Stroughter in the final round.

Cleveland Browns: GRADE: B-
Alex Mack was a good pick at No. 21 and Mohamed Massaquoi was a very good pickup in the second round. I think fellow second-rounder David Veikune was a bit of a reach in that round, but not enough of one to seriously dent the Browns' grade. They didn't get a great receiver in Brian Robiskie in the second round, but he's polished enough as a rookie that he could be a solid possession guy for this franchise.

Detroit Lions: GRADE: B-
Matthew Stafford was what this team needed, but fellow first-rounder Brandon Pettigrew was a reach at No. 21. Third-round pick DeAndre Levy was a little bit of a reach, but a good pick. Selecting Derrick Williams in the third round was a good move. The best late-round pick for this team was seventh-rounder Zach Follett out of California. The Lions should've gotten a left tackle at some point since that is an obvious need right now, particularly with their current quarterback situation.

2009 Draft: Eagles No. 19 pick

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The Philadelphia Eagles draft WR Jeremy Maclin with the 19th pick in the 2009 draft.
Philadelphia Eagles: GRADE: B-
Wide receiver Jeremy Maclin was a good pick, but he needs to work on his route running to be a consistent threat in the NFL. Running back LeSean McCoy was a good selection in the second round and so was tight end Cornelius Ingram in the fifth round. The fifth round was a good round for the Eagles, who also picked up cornerback Victor Harris and offensive tackle Fenuki Tupou.

Indianapolis Colts: GRADE: C+
Donald Brown is a good player but kind of a luxury pick, which isn't a knock on it because running back Joseph Addai has had some injury issues as of late. Fili Moala and Jerraud Powers were taken a little high, though. Terrance Taylor is a good pick in the fourth round because he could jump into the Colts' rotation.

Jacksonville Jaguars: GRADE: C+
I understand the Jaguars felt that offensive line was a need, but I felt picking Eben Britton that early in the second round was a reach, but not nearly as big of a reach as cornerback Derek Cox in the third round. The selections of Mike Thomas and Jarrett Dillard in the fourth and fifth rounds were good ones and I really like the seventh-round selections of Rashad Jennings and Tiquan Underwood. Honestly, the late-round selections are what saved the Jaguars' grade.

Minnesota Vikings: GRADE: C+
If they can keep wide receiver Percy Harvin focused and maximize his potential, then taking him at No. 22 could end up being a good selection. The only problem is the fact that he has some character question marks surrounding him, but there's no questioning his talent. Third-round selection Asher Allen is a good pick, inside linebacker Jasper Brinkley could be a good fit and seventh-rounder Jamarca Sanford is a good player.

Tennessee Titans: GRADE: C+
Wide receiver Kenny Britt was a good selection in the first round. Defensive tackle Sen'Derrick Marks was a bit overhyped, but he wasn't a bad reach at No. 62. I love the selection of tight end Jared Cook. Troy Kropog was a little bit of a reach in the fourth round, but he was a good player at Tulane.

Washington Redskins: GRADE: C+
Brian Orakpo fell into their laps and he gives them the pass-rushing presence they haven't had since Dexter Manley. Kevin Barnes is a decent third-round pick. Robert Henson is a decent late-round pick at linebacker.

Carolina Panthers: GRADE: C
They gave up next year's first-round pick to get Florida State defensive end Everette Brown, which I really don't like. Brown is a fine player and could make an impact for this team, but I believe that a first-round pick is too steep a price to pay. None of the players they selected in this draft have great potential. Sherrod Martin and Corvey Irvin have the ability to be starters in this league and running back Mike Goodson could be a situational back, but none of the Panthers' picks really stand out.

Denver Broncos: GRADE: C
Knowshon Moreno is a good running back and Robert Ayers has excellent ability. Alphonso Smith was one of my favorite defensive players to watch in college, but I don't agree with trading a future No. 1 pick for the rights to pick him. Richard Quinn was selected a little too high for a one-dimensional blocking tight end. David Bruton is an OK player and so is Seth Olsen.

New Orleans Saints: GRADE: C
First-round selection Malcolm Jenkins is a good player. Fourth-round safety Chip Vaughn is a solid player and had some great workouts. He looks great on paper, as does fellow fourth-rounder Stanley Arnoux, the inside linebacker from Wake Forest. The only player out of the four the Saints selected who will be a difference-maker is Jenkins.

St. Louis Rams: GRADE: C
If I were the Rams, I would have taken Mark Sanchez at the No. 2 spot, but I do like offensive tackle Jason Smith. Inside linebacker James Laurinaitis was a good selection in the second round. Cornerback Bradley Fletcher would've gone higher if he had better speed. There were better quarterbacks available in the sixth round, when they took Keith Null.

San Diego Chargers: GRADE: C+
The selection of linebacker Larry English at No. 16 was a little high, but he fills a potential need for them and he's a good player. Guards Louis Vasquez and Tyronne Green were good selections in the third and fourth rounds. Defensive tackle Vaughn Martin was a bit of a reach in the fourth round because he played in Canada against a lower level of competition. The late-round picks of running back Gartrell Johnson, cornerback Brandon Hughes, safety Kevin Ellison and wide receiver Demetrius Byrd were all good picks.

Kansas City Chiefs: GRADE: C-
Linebacker Tyson Jackson is a very good football player, but he was a reach at the No. 3 spot. This team focused on shoring up the defense early, and selecting defensive tackle Alex Magee in the third round will help. I do like the selection of offensive tackle Colin Brown in the fifth round, but the rest of the late-round picks didn't really do anything for me. I saw a couple of reaches in those late rounds that definitely didn't help the grade.

Miami Dolphins: GRADE: C-
Cornerback Vontae Davis is a risk/reward type of player. Pat White has to play receiver to have value where they picked him (No. 44 overall). Defensive back Sean Smith was a good second selection, but third-rounder Patrick Turner was a major reach. With the exception of safety Chris Clemons in the fifth round, the rest of the late-round picks weren't very impressive.

Dallas Cowboys: GRADE: D
The Big D gets a D this year. They didn't get a lot of top-end talent due in part to their not having a pick until the third round, but they then went out and reached on Jason Williams and Robert Brewster. Victor Butler is a decent pick, as is Brandon Williams, but I'm not enamored with any of their later picks. They got players that could help them in terms of depth, but no one who is going to really strengthen this football team.

Oakland Raiders: GRADE D
Oakland's draft was a head-scratcher. The Raiders took wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey at No. 7 even though Michael Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin were still on the board, but the biggest reach of their draft and of the entire draft was the second-round selection of safety Michael Mitchell. This kid was thought to be a seventh-round pick at best and possibly an undrafted free agent, and the Raiders pulled the ultimate reach by taking him in the second round.

I just want to say that my issues with those two picks have nothing to do with those players. Congrats to them for getting picked and obviously having the talent to make it to the NFL. My issue is that these weren't good value picks for the organization. The Raiders could have gotten more value from the No. 7 pick and definitely more value from the No. 47 pick, and that's why I believe they made a mistake. The only reason Oakland didn't receive an F is because they did get some players.

Mel Kiper has been analyzing the NFL draft for ESPN since 1984.
 
Mel Kipers draft grades are - EPIC FAIL

Seriously...if BJ Raji and Sanchez are flops (and there is a good indication that Sanchez may be one) then those A's turn to F's fast.

How does that make it a fail? As of right now, they aren't flops and the grades aren't a fail. Still A's.

What's your "indication" that Sanchez may be a flop?
 
Seriously...if BJ Raji and Sanchez are flops then those A's turn to F's fast.

Now there's a real smart statement. Isn't that true for any team? If any teams draft picks are flops doesn't it make any teams draft a fail?

BUT.....As of right now, analyzing each teams picks, these look like good drafts.


Here are some other real smart statements for ya....

Don't pick the Steelers to do well this year because if they lose to many games, they will be an epic fail.

Hey, tell the new Colts coach to bench Manning, cause he could throw a ton of ints, so starting Manning could be an epic fail.

If you want a sure thing, then I would say your post and my reply are the real epic fails!!!!
 
2009 Draft Grades = EPIC FAIL

That's not an epic fail. That's called pulling shit out of your ass. That's what anything with the draft is. An epic fail is if the Raiders, in 5 years, end up with the best draft class this year, while everyone else bombs. An epic fail is saying that the Raiders had a great draft. You can't call anything an epic fail until a failure has happened.
 
They didn't get a great receiver in Brian Robiskie in the second round, but he's polished enough as a rookie that he could be a solid possession guy for this franchise.

This made me scratch my head.

Brian Robiskie's father is the Falcons Receivers Coach, and former head coach of the Browns. Brian has been seeing NFL schemes since he was at Ohio State, he knows how to read a play book. With his work ethic, I see him adapting to the NFL level very easily. Polished enough? I think he's ready to work. He doesn't have that explosion factor, but being a solid possession guy, he doesn't have to.
 
Mel Kipers an idiot. He needs to stop covering the NFL Draft and get a new haircut.
 
It's true of all teams picks. It's just ridiculous to bother with the grades, because there's no validation for them. It's the whole, you get an "A" for effort. If effort doesn't produce results...then is it really worth an "A"?

If the 1st round pick ends up sucking doesn't mean the team still couldn't have a good overall draft once we look back on it.
 
Research by some of the best football analysts indicate that College games started is the best predictor of success in the league, followed up by completion percentage. Had he started more than 16 games...might not be an issue.

I think where some of this idea is flawed in regards to Sanchez is that guys like Leaf, Harrington, Smith, etc weren't sitting behind any real good players and fell into the job never really having to beat out any other real good contenders. Sanchez was behind guys like Leinart, Booty etc. Good college QB's. and was battling for the job against other top prospects.

I will say there is something to be said for starting for a long period of time at the college level but it can't be applied across the board to every candidate and be taken as truth. Ther are a lot of other factors to look at.
 
I didn't say that it was the be all end all truth. If you notice in my first post...I said that there were indications that he would be a bust.

You could say that about any player. There's cons about every player. No player has ever graded out perfectly in the draft. Saying there are "indications" that Sanchez could be a bust isn't a big deal because you could go through every player in the draft and find one or more indications that they could be a bust too.
 
I'm aware...but the study conducted was specifically geared towards QBs. The biggest predictor for NFL success was College games started. That's a strong indication that he could be a bust.

But there have been plenty of QB's who have started lots of games for their college team and done squat at the NFL level.

The article also cites completetion percentage...Which Sanchez has a very high on. So the study both supports and doesn't support Sanchez.

Basically. In the end it's all bullshit.
 
College games started is the BIGGEST predictor. Maybe you missed that. It's the STRONGEST indication that he won't do well.

Matt Cassell dumps on your chest.

And as I already pointed out I could say that guys from traditional schools and more storied programs like USC, Tennessee, have a higher success rate. Pointing out Ryan Leaf only started 19 games at Wazzou when he was competeting with noone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pointing out Sanchez starting only 16 games at a school like USC when he was sitting behind damn good QB's and competeting with top prospects everyday for the job.

It's not cut and dry.
 
Matt Cassell dumps on your chest.

And as I already pointed out I could say that guys from traditional schools and more storied programs like USC, Tennessee, have a higher success rate. Pointing out Ryan Leaf only started 19 games at Wazzou when he was competeting with noone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pointing out Sanchez starting only 16 games at a school like USC when he was sitting behind damn good QB's and competeting with top prospects everyday for the job.

It's not cut and dry.

Making arguments that Sanchez was sitting behind damn good QB's isn't cut and dry either. Leinhart and Booty haven't done anything in the NFL. Some are ready to give them the "flop" tag as well. Leinhart got beat out by a good QB in Kurt Warner, yes. However, he shouldn't be. Leinhart should have that starting job, it's what the Cardinals brought him in for.

Booty is riding pine in Minnesota. Pete Carroll picked up all these guys put them all in the same system. Dare I say that USC Quarterbacks deserve the "System Quarterback" tag that guys like Graham Harrel have been given? In recent memory the only successful quarterback I can think of is Carson Palmer, and Matt Cassel, Palmer now considered average, though he had breakout years. Cassel, had a great core of players around him he looked good, we'll need to wait and see what he does in Denver.

Sanchez does have that knock against him that he started only 16 games, and he came out early. Why does coming out early have a knock on him? The depth of Quarterbacks coming out next season is better than the depth this season and Sanchez probably wouldn't of been drafted in that class, or at least not until later rounds.
 
Making arguments that Sanchez was sitting behind damn good QB's isn't cut and dry either.
I know it's not. I never said it was. I pointed it out as one of many factors. We are discussing good college players transitioning to the pros. Leinart and Booty were both good college QB's. That's not in dispute. Sitting behind them>>>>>>>Sitting behind some bum in Wazzou or Eugene in college. So it's kind of tough to evaluate Sanchez based on starts when you have the fact that he was sitting behind a Heisman winner and another very good college QB before starting. The study is looking at starts while ignoring the reasons of why they were or weren't starting.

Leinhart and Booty haven't done anything in the NFL. Some are ready to give them the "flop" tag as well. Leinhart got beat out by a good QB in Kurt Warner, yes. However, he shouldn't be. Leinhart should have that starting job, it's what the Cardinals brought him in for.

Booty is riding pine in Minnesota. Pete Carroll picked up all these guys put them all in the same system.

None of their success or lackthereof in the NFL has anything to do with why Sanchez was sitting behind them in college. Leinart and Booty were good QB's in college. That's why Sanchez didn't start right away. /discussion

The issue is Sanchez starting in college.

Question that arises from that: Why did he only start 16 games?

Answer: He was stuck behind some pretty damn good college QB's.

Booty and Leinart's NFL careers have no bearing on why Sanchez was stuck behind them in college.

In recent memory the only successful quarterback I can think of is Carson Palmer, and Matt Cassel, Palmer now considered average, though he had breakout years. Cassel, had a great core of players around him he looked good, we'll need to wait and see what he does in Denver.
1. Palmer was barely average in his forst 3 years at USC

2. Cassell is in KC.
 
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