Moneyball

[Leftwich]

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Anyone else excited to see this movie? I think it could possibly get some oscar hype.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Not at all.....I still can't believe they made a movie out of this. Although I guess its better than "insert comic book movie or sequel 10 here" films that come out every couple of months.

If you are going to do a front office story, don't do it on a mediocre GM. Do it about someone like Steinbrenner or George Preston Marshall and what happened on their teams. I would love to see either of them portrayed in a movie.

 

[G-men]

don't really know anything about this story or GM. what time period does this take place in? im guessing its recent since they mentioned texting but the A's havent been good in recent years.

 

[Sharkweather]

don't really know anything about this story or GM. what time period does this take place in? im guessing its recent since they mentioned texting but the A's havent been good in recent years.

Are you like 16 years old or something, just curious. They won 87+ games from '99 through 2006 and made the playoffs 5 times. The book/movie takes place during the early 00s.

 

[tigstah]

Not at all.....I still can't believe they made a movie out of this. Although I guess its better than "insert comic book movie or sequel 10 here" films that come out every couple of months.

If you are going to do a front office story, don't do it on a mediocre GM. Do it about someone like Steinbrenner or George Preston Marshall and what happened on their teams. I would love to see either of them portrayed in a movie.

hbo i think did a movie on steinbrenner.

 

[EmpireWF]

Awesome trailer. Can't wait to check it out.

Not at all.....I still can't believe they made a movie out of this. Although I guess its better than "insert comic book movie or sequel 10 here" films that come out every couple of months.

If you are going to do a front office story, don't do it on a mediocre GM. Do it about someone like Steinbrenner or George Preston Marshall and what happened on their teams. I would love to see either of them portrayed in a movie.

It's not just about Billy Beane trying to win a championship. It's about his staff changing the way baseball execs went about their business. The whole OBP/SLG/WAR type of stats instead of the same ol batting average and Wins/ERA for a pitcher.

It's a hell of a story when for over a century, baseball scouting and evaluation was done one way. Then this specific group of people come out and try to win using a totally different method.

Of course they didn't, but they came close a few times. There's obviously flaws in the belief system (the lack of value in a closer for one thing), but it's a good story.

...At the same time, you put Hudson, Mulder and Zito (circa the early 2000s) on any rotation and they should be a playoff team regardless.

 

[Buzzman]

I think the first half of the trailer is decent looking and the 2nd half of the trailer is phenomenal.

 

[G-men]

Are you like 16 years old or something, just curious. They won 87+ games from '99 through 2006 and made the playoffs 5 times. The book/movie takes place during the early 00s.

i just dont really follow baseball outside of the Yankees

 

[EmpireWF]

i just dont really follow baseball outside of the Yankees

Still man, the Yankees big rival for a few years was Oakland.

Damn A's could never get past them. bama:

 

[Leftwich]

If you're a baseball fan of any sort this movie should make you appreciate what they did out in Oakland. I'm not a big fan of Jonah Hill in this movie but i'm assuming he's trying to take a more serious approach at acting.

 

[Youk]

I had my doubts about this movie, even though I love baseball. After seeing this trailer, I have no doubt in my mind that this will be an excellent movie.

 

[Palooza]

obviously I'm there, Brad Pitt's in it.

:sex:

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Awesome trailer. Can't wait to check it out.



It's not just about Billy Beane trying to win a championship. It's about his staff changing the way baseball execs went about their business. The whole OBP/SLG/WAR type of stats instead of the same ol batting average and Wins/ERA for a pitcher.

It's a hell of a story when for over a century, baseball scouting and evaluation was done one way. Then this specific group of people come out and try to win using a totally different method.

Of course they didn't, but they came close a few times. There's obviously flaws in the belief system (the lack of value in a closer for one thing), but it's a good story.

...At the same time, you put Hudson, Mulder and Zito (circa the early 2000s) on any rotation and they should be a playoff team regardless.

That is my issue with it. Any team with Hudson, Mulder and Zito would make the playoffs. If Beane could put together a more than decent offense, those teams would have won a championship or two.

Just look at the offense this season. They are doing terrible, and Beane has struggled to adapt and find players now that teams are looking for the same players he is. Hence why I think he's one of the most overrated GMs and if he were anyone else, would have been fired last season.

 

[EmpireWF]

That is my issue with it. Any team with Hudson, Mulder and Zito would make the playoffs. If Beane could put together a more than decent offense, those teams would have won a championship or two.

The point though is he put those teams together with a low payroll that in reality, should have meant they couldn't compete with the likes of the Yankees. And even though they never went the whole way, their system has reached the mainstream that several teams employ similar if not the exact same philosophies.

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They did have a better than decent offense..at least in 2001. Giambi, Tejada and Chaves each had over 30 HRs and over 110 RBIs.

Damon had 100+ runs, 27 SBs, 61 BBs….Long had 85 RBIs, four other starters had at least 57 RBIs.

They even had a good closer in Izzy and for fuck sake, Hudson was 18-9, Mulder 21-8, Zito 17-8, Cory Lidle 13-6 (the highest ERA of the four was Lidle's 3.59…highest WHIP was Zito's 1.232).

Only 9 players on the 2001 team made a million or more. 5 were relief pitchers, the others were Damon ($7 mil was tops), Giambi, John Jaha and Tejada.

That team won 102 games AND was up 2-0 in the ALDS against the Yankees. (Mulder outpitched Clemens and Hudson did the same to Pettite)…then the Yanks win a 1-0 ballgame in which they only got 2 hits. Mussina beat Zito. Game 4 was a slaughter as Yanks won 9-2, Lidle was off.

Game 5 in NY, Yanks win a close one 5-3, taking the lead in the 3rd and never giving it back.

Erich Chavez was awful in the series, btw.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Moneyball isnt about SABR as much as its about value. Hence, Moneyball. Beane needed to find a way to get good players cheap, so they looked for stengths that were undervalued. At that time, it happened to be OBA, whch also happened to correspond with the SABR movement,

 

[manchild24]

Im all over this when this is out. I think it looks very good. I cant stand that kid from Superbad but my wife she read that this movie can be Pitts breakout movie like Bullock in the BlindSide.

 

[Sharkweather]

that this movie can be Pitts breakout movie

:jonesy:

 

[inthecards21]

like Bullock in the BlindSide.

:michaelscott:

 

[Palooza]

Im all over this when this is out. I think it looks very good. I cant stand that kid from Superbad but my wife she read that this movie can be Pitts breakout movie like Bullock in the BlindSide.

what did I tell you about discussing movies?

 

[spiker]

I had my doubts about this movie, even though I love baseball. After seeing this trailer, I have no doubt in my mind that this will be an excellent movie.

This is exactly how I am. Surprisingly, a book about the rise of Sabremetrics in the front office looks like a good movie. I'm sure it'll be more about the 2001 A's than anything though.