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More ranking madness

Liquidrob

Izzy is a bum
Here is the link, lets look at the HW's as usual

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-27767

1. Cain Velasquez (9-0)
During his first week at the American Kickboxing Academy, trainers thought Velasquez was a future UFC heavyweight champion. On Oct. 21 in Anaheim, Calif., he made that a reality, blowing away Brock Lesnar in the first round to claim the UFC heavyweight crown. While he can celebrate for now, Velasquez will have to return early next year to defend his throne against fellow young heavyweight Junior dos Santos.

2. Brock Lesnar (5-2)
Debates over wrestling laurels, physical size and the like all went out the window at UFC 121, as Lesnar just could not compete with Cain Velasquez. Lesnar was battered from pillar-to-post for over four minutes, en route to losing his title to Velasquez in a one-sided thumping.

3. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1)
On Aug. 18, Werdum underwent surgery and had 27 loose bone fragments removed from his left elbow. Already in physiotherapy to rehab, the author of 2010’s most significant upset now targets a return to action in the first quarter of 2011.

4. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC)
The chicanery of another Emelianenko pre-fight has begun. Emelianenko’s promoters at M-1 have openly announced their interest in fighting Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem, on the condition that the Dutchman submits to Olympic-style drug testing. Naturally, little headway has been made surrounding Emelianenko’s next bout.

5. Junior dos Santos (12-1)
Dos Santos’ next step is now clear. Courtesy of Cain Velasquez’s thrashing of Brock Lesnar at UFC 121 on Oct. 23, “Cigano” will challenge Velasquez for the UFC heavyweight crown in early 2011 in a great pairing of thrilling young heavyweights.

6. Shane Carwin (12-1)
The second half of 2010 has been rough for Carwin. After falling to Brock Lesnar in dramatic fashion in their July UFC title bout, his name was connected to a federal steroids investigation. The mammoth Coloradan will get the chance to start 2011 on a higher note, as he meets “The Ultimate Fighter” Season 10 winner Roy Nelson at UFC 125 on Jan. 1.

7. Frank Mir (14-5)
At UFC 119, Mir and Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic underwhelmed the Indianapolis crowd for 14 minutes with a dreadful exhibition of aimless clinching. Finally, with just 58 ticks left in the fight, Mir landed a colossal knee that crushed the Croat, notching one of the least impressive highlight-reel KOs in recent memory.

8. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC)
The Strikeforce heavyweight champion’s efforts continue to come in kickboxing rather than MMA. “The Demolition Man” earned an easy first-round KO over Aussie Ben Edwards on Oct. 2 in Seoul, South Korea, to advance to December’s K-1 World Grand Prix finale in Yokohama, Japan. As for an MMA return, it remains anyone’s guess for now.

9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC)
Back in December 2008, Nogueira was taken out by Frank Mir in lopsided fashion. He was scheduled for a chance at redemption against Mir at UFC 119 on Sept. 25, until a hip injury struck, forcing “Minotauro” from the fight and onto the surgeon’s table.

10. Antonio Silva (14-2)
Silva’s hope was that he would get to face Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem. With “The Demolition Man” dealing with his K-1 duties in December, “Pezao” will instead meet the Dutchman’s older brother, Valentijn Overeem, on Dec. 4 in St. Louis.
 
Here is another guy who is always in the top 10, still not sure why

8. Dan Hardy (23-8, 1 NC)
Europe had been magic for Hardy during his UFC tenure. That was not the case at UFC 120 on Oct. 16, however. “The Outlaw” was smashed with a brutal left hook from Carlos Condit that took him out of consciousness and out of the top of the UFC welterweight division.
 
Madness in the heavyweights? Only egregious error is Big Nog in the top 10 and Mir ahead of Overeem.
 
Yeah, Muuuuur is too high. Heavies are tricky right now, I wouldn't gripe over Brock/Werdum/Fedor in any order after Cain, but personally as I've said a million times, Werdum needs another quality win before I'm sold. I think Fedor beats him with minimal effort in a rematch, similar to Muuuur's situation with Brock. In fact, the similarities between Muuuur then and Werbum now are striking.
 
What is the MMA world coming to when I have to be the one to defend Fedor? The guy loses one fight, from getting caught in a sub and drops to #4. The first loss of his legendary career, meanwhile a green Brock with 2 losses, one of which in devastating fashion still sits at #2. WTF is that.

1. Cain
2. Fedor
3. Overeem
4. Dos Santos
5. Werdum
6. Lesnar
7. Shane Carwin
8. Big Nog
9. Mir
10. Big Foot
 
1. Cain
2. Fedor
3. JDS
4. Werdum
5. Overeem
6. Brock
7. Carwin
8. Mir
9. Big Foot
10. Nelson

if you couldn't tell, I think Big Nog is done.
 
I dont give a fuck how done anyone thinks Nog is.. what the blood has Roy Nelson done to be ranked ahead of him?

It's more of how done I see Big Nog being and the only other heavyweight in the picture (not Kongo, not Schaub, not Roger) is Nelson.

You know what, I forgot about Barnett.

Consider him #10.
 
Things would be alot more interesting if Overeem were even remotely interested in MMA.
Why am I not sold on Cain ? I can see 5 guys on that list beating him.

Fedor and Reem are annoying at this point. There refusal to take anything but perfect fights makes me uninterested.
 
Things would be alot more interesting if Overeem were even remotely interested in MMA.
Why am I not sold on Cain ? I can see 5 guys on that list beating him.

Fedor and Reem are annoying at this point. There refusal to take anything but perfect fights makes me uninterested.
Overeem has been avoided like the plague, so he has no choice to go overseas and fight K-1. Who do you expect to guy to fight? Big Foot is fighting 'Reem's brother, Arlovski is AWOL and on a 3-fight losing streak, and Barnett has done fuck all. The only fights that make sense are Fedor and Werdum. Fedor won't fight him without drug testing stipulations and Werdum has shown zero interest in fighting him, citing that he beat him before already and fighting him would be a step backwards. You have your #1 contender pretty much REFUSING TO FIGHT FOR THE BELT.

I don't really see how it's his fault.
 
Overeem has been avoided like the plague, so he has no choice to go overseas and fight K-1. Who do you expect to guy to fight? Big Foot is fighting 'Reem's brother, Arlovski is AWOL and on a 3-fight losing streak, and Barnett has done fuck all. The only fights that make sense are Fedor and Werdum. Fedor won't fight him without drug testing stipulations and Werdum has shown zero interest in fighting him, citing that he beat him before already and fighting him would be a step backwards. You have your #1 contender pretty much REFUSING TO FIGHT FOR THE BELT.

I don't really see how it's his fault.

Because he is on Super Horse Steroids and no one wants to fight this equine negro.

I mean, most fighters are on juice, but that dude is on some Ivan Drago / Manny Pacquiao shit...why would a top contender want to mess with this brute?
 
please go on

Fedor and Overeem by murder.
Carwin by KO
I can easily see Werdum and JDS winning.



Overeem has been avoided like the plague, so he has no choice to go overseas and fight K-1. Who do you expect to guy to fight? Big Foot is fighting 'Reem's brother, Arlovski is AWOL and on a 3-fight losing streak, and Barnett has done fuck all. The only fights that make sense are Fedor and Werdum. Fedor won't fight him without drug testing stipulations and Werdum has shown zero interest in fighting him, citing that he beat him before already and fighting him would be a step backwards. You have your #1 contender pretty much REFUSING TO FIGHT FOR THE BELT.
I don't really see how it's his fault.

Overeem refused to defend that belt for almost two years. Ducking or not you need to defend a title.

Like it or not Strikeforce is too lenient. That fighter friendly crap leads to huge vacancies, droughts , and stipulation demands.
 
Overeem refused to defend that belt for almost two years. Ducking or not you need to defend a title.
Wrong. :slap:

'Reem didn't refuse to defend. He was under a one-fight contract with SF and was expected to lose to Buentello. He won, but Strikeforce didn't have anyone for him to defend against so they didn't extend his contract. He goes off to K-1/DREAM for a while, then Strikeforce acquires actual HW talent and wants him fight Rogers or Werdum, but can't due to injury. He's finally back under the Strikeforce banner officially in fall of 2009, but because of his contractual obligations to K-1 he couldn't compete until 2010.

Again, not his fault. Blame Strikeforce, not Overeem.
 
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