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Rays aquire entire Cubs farm system for Matt Garza

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Warner2BruceTD

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Tampa Bay trades Matt Garza and 2 minor leaguers to Cubs for P Chris Archer, OF Brandon Guyer, C Robinson Chirinos, SS Hak ju Lee, OF Sam Fuld, double play combo Johnny Evers, Joe Tinker, and Frank Chance, & a player to be named later rumored to be Keith Moreland.
 
The big prospect is the pitcher Archer. Hopefully this works out for Tampa.

Here's the expectd-----Garza should do well in the NL.
 
Most of those prospects end up being nada at the major league level. The only guy truly of value is Archer. Guyer is ok, had a good year last year. But, whatever...
 
I see it as a 1 for 1...the other guys aren't 100% MLB stuff. At least the Cubs know what Garza can do against batters in the MLB....and it's even easier in the NL.
 
Warner2BruceTD said:
People still believe in this AL/NL stuff? You can either pitch, or you can't. Garza is what he is.
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Yes but pitching against a pitcher is better than a DH...no? You can't argue that. When pitchers come over to NL, usually they do better than if a pitcher goes to the AL.
 
Lee and Archer are the big ones here. Lee is a kid they were talking about being good enough to one day move Castro to 3b or CF. Lee could be in the majors as soon as 2012 IMO.
 
Lanteri said:
I don't understand this at all.

Do the Cubs seriously think they have any shot of finishing above 4th place in that division? Trading any kind of prospects at this point is just silly.
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Overall I agree. Archer and Lee were pretty highly regarded. The rest are just kind of "meh" though.
 
LiquidLarry2GhostWF said:
One league features 8 bats and a pitcher. The other 9 bats. Of course their is a difference.

Also, ballparks, but I won't get into that.
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ryne candy said:
Yes but pitching against a pitcher is better than a DH...no? You can't argue that. When pitchers come over to NL, usually they do better than if a pitcher goes to the AL.
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What is this "DH" you guys speak of? Pitchers don't hit in the AL? You don't say!

But seriously, I don't think the difference is as drastic as people think. I think pitchers largely pitch to their skill level.

How many points higher do you think the #9 hitters in the AL hit than the #9 hitters in the NL? I bet its less than you think.

Its just silly hearing how every guy who switches over "should do better/worse" in his new league, as if its a given.
 
LiquidLarry2GhostWF said:
To be honest, none of them are future super stars. Not Archer, or Lee, or Guyer. Just a bunch of guys with a ceiling.
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But you don't know what any of them will be. I can tell you exactly what Garza is, though. 4.00 era, .500 pitcher, with a K rate that sank like the Titanic last year. He's the definition of average.

I can see doing one or two mid level prospects for a guy like that, but FIVE guys, at least two of which are decent prospects? Good move by Tampa.
 
Lanteri said:
I don't understand this at all.

Do the Cubs seriously think they have any shot of finishing above 4th place in that division? Trading any kind of prospects at this point is just silly.
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This is my thought as well. Yeah, Garza can be an average #3 or #2 starter in the NL ... but the Cubs have bigger issues.

Typical "bandaid on cancer" move by the Cubbies.
 
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