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Repairing the Chicago Bears

ZAN

ZAN
Fixing the Bears requires a few things, in my opinion.

1. Get rid of Ron Turner (maybe Lovie too)?
-Can someone explain to me why the organization hired back this guy after firing him once? His offense has an idiotic look to it. I get so sick of watching middle draws on 3rd and 10. I think Lovie has one year to prove he can win. Getting rid of Turner makes Smith looks EXPONENTIALLY better.

2. Make the move to a 3-4 defense

- This Tampa 2 will never go as long as Lovie Smith is in town. But let's be real. You have to have 4 guys attacking the offensive line and creating their OWN pressure. In losing Ogunleye (more than likely) to FA this coming off-season, we will be left with Alex Brown and Tommie Harris as our "reliable" defensive linemen. Adams, Anderson, and Harrison showed flashes late in the year. But was that because the pressure was off them to win? Let's look at our defensive personnel.

Tommie Harris is a prototypical 3-4 defensive end. Think about Haloti Ngata. Quick and powerful. Really good at taking up the B gaps in the offensive line, and requiring a guard and tackle to pick him up.

Adams or Harrison now slide in as a nose tackle. This is different from a defensive tackle in a 3-4. Their goal is to attack the center on EVERY snap. These guys need to be big, heavy boys. Speed isn't a huge requirement.

Alex Brown becomes your DT/E. I know he is a little thin to be playing inside, BUT, This guy plays a different gap every down, based on the distance. They essentially try to create blitzing lanes for the linebackers and DBs. He will get a lot of cheap sacks playing this position.

Urlacher becomes MUCH better in a 3-4. Let's face it. He's gotten slower, and he doesn't hit as well as his younger years. In a 3-4, there are 2 ILBs. Urlacher will be responsible for coverage, and half as much field in run support.

Briggs becomes an ILB as well. Though, his job will be essentially the same as the sam backer in the 4-3 defense. He will do MOST of the run support, which is his specialty.

Now, you have 2 outside linebackers. In the 3-4 system, they have 2 jobs. Pass rushing and dropping into hook zones. This is where Gaines Adams/Mark Anderson benefit. He is a pass rusher. He hates playing run. They don't have great block shedding....but they don't have to have to. They take outside blitz lanes and flush the QB up into the DL + one other blitzer coming from their angles. One of the two OLBs always rushes. The opposite drops into a zone about 5 yards deep, covering the middle or flats.

This system leads way into LESS pressure on coverage, which was our severe weakness. We are allowed to blitz more, which makes our DBs have to cover for less time (less time to pass = less time to get burnt by a route). We can even utilize Corey Graham as a nickel rusher (assuming Vasher is cut). Bowman and Tillman are big physical corners who give up the sidelines, and refuse the slant route in the 3-4 system.

Safeties jobs are to hit. Look at Reed (who covers better than any safety ever, coincidentally)....he and Polamalu are two of the hardest hitting safeties in the league, and they play in the 3-4 system. Adrian Wilson (ARIZONA) is also in a 3-4 defense. Strong safeties blitz a lot too, which allows you to send less linebackers.

The thing about the 3-4 defensive scheme is that you NEVER know where the blitz comes from. It's so exotic. Occasionally, a right outside linebacker comes off one edge, SS comes off the other. Both DEs drop (Harris and Brown) into coverage 5 yards off the LOS, and you send a MLB on a delayed blitz. This gets great pressure in the NFL, because it's a tough play to pick up. Let's count. You send. 4 guys (OLB, SS, DT, MLB delayed blitz). That's 7 guys in coverage. And that's just one play. The next, you may send both OLBs and have 5 rushers. The next, you drop 7 in coverage and blitz the 3 linemen plus one random backer.

If you can mix up your blitz scheme it's an easier game defensive. It takes away a lot of the opposing team's offense when they have to adjust their blocking scheme on the fly.

3. Get a FA WR.

-With no picks until the 3rd round this year, we have to do work in the free agent market. There are a few big names out there. We could get a Marshall (he's done in Denver) or Vincent Jackson, and call our offseason a success (considering there isn't much to look forward to)

When Lovie goes, my scenario number 2 kicks in if they get a Bill Cowher. More of the same D if it's Shanahan. Let's be real though...Lovie's going nowhere until after next season.
 
They need to keep Lovie Smith IMO. They won some games this year they had no business winning with how awful that secondary and offense in general was.

And the 3-4 is all about linebackers. Urlacher in the 4-3 has been a playmaker and I think once they put him in a 3-4 role you lose that. Just look at Nick Barnett this year. His job has been to basically take blockers when he blitzes. He's not the same playmaker anymore (not that he compares to Urlacher as a MLB)

To me, Urlacher has become the greatest coverage LB I have ever seen. He's been below par in the run these past 3 years (injuries to neck and back have his tackling and block shedding down). His job in the run game become LESS important in a 3-4 with the addtion of another backer. He can still attack gaps (which is what he does in a 4-3 since he cant shuck blockers anymore)...

His lateral speed to the edge is still there, and on tosses it doesn't matter whether you run a 3-4 or 4-3...the MLB still needs to stretch it to the sidelines...

All in all, I think you gotta play to your strengths. A 3-4 may not benefit Urlacher, but I don't think it hurts him either. He's still gonna cover the middle well, and have good speed to the edge. Besides, 10/11 other players could probably benefit from the 3-4. Losing Ogunleye this off-season makes running the Tampa 2 a suicide waiting to happen on defense.
 
Urlacher, who is already past it, would simply get worn into the ground having to get off a block every down.

Fixing the Bears defence involves draft picks and moving towards the future not an off-season formation change.
 
I don't like the idea of a 3-4. You say Urlacher cannot deal with shedding blocks so you decide to take out the defensive linemen in front of him? Doesn't that do the exact opposite of what you say is his problem? Instead of having 2 big tackles in front of him allowing him to move around freely, you think it is better for him to deal with guards that have a free shot at him.

Chicago should get a new coach and bring in Dick Jauron. He was a solid DC and has a history in Chicago.
 
This idea is full of fail.

1. Turner wasn't fired in the 1990's. He left to take the Illinois HC job.

2. The Bears moving to a 3-4 is retarded.

ZAN said:
Tommie Harris is a prototypical 3-4 defensive end
LULZ. Tommie Harris is done. He played 1 good game all season, against the Vikings. That's it. He comes back the next week and is a ghost against Detroit. Harris isn't even a prototypical DT anymore. He's playing on one leg and you can't count on him for consistent effort. Harris hasn't been a force since the 2006 season.

ZAN said:
Adams or Harrison now slide in as a nose tackle.
1. Adams can't play the nose in the 3-4. That's why San Fran let him go. He failed at it. Chicago was able to pick him up.

2. Harrison MIGHT be able to be a 3-4 nose, but that's an awfully big risk to take with a player who missed the first part of this season because he was too fat and showed up to camp in horrible shape.

ZAN said:
Alex Brown becomes your DT/E
Fail. Brown is too small for one. And secondly you have two better options on the team. Idonije fits the mold better and so would Jarron Gilbert.

Your idea for the OLB's might have legs except you need a stout OLB opposite Anderson or G. Adams and the Bears don't have it.

Your ILB's ideas are fucking retarded.

Moving Briggs inside would be a disaster. He doesn't even play the SAM for the Bears. He plays the WILL. So how would him having the same responsibilities as the SAM backer be a plus?

Urlacher in coverage would be good except for the fact that you say he has lost a step...how is putting him in pass coverage when he has lost a step a good idea? Not only that but as JHight pointed out if Urlacher's weakness is shedding blockers how does taking away a DT help him out at all?

Then you start in on the defensive backs. Tillman and Bowman are solid. The problem is our safeties suck so comparing them to the jobs Ed Reed and Troy Polumalu do and would have to do is beyond absurd.

Get a FA WR? What do we have to offer for Marshall? Vincent Jackson would be nice but the Bears won't give up on the Hester BS, the love Knox, and Aromashodu showed flashes. Bennett was solid. Who plays where?
 
If the Bears do fire Turner and keep Lovie Smith around as a lame-duck coach as well as Jerry Angelo as a lame-duck GM, then it will be interesting to see who the Bears can actually find to take their offensive coordinator job. Sherm Lewis? John Shoop? Terry Shea?
 
If the Bears do fire Turner and keep Lovie Smith around as a lame-duck coach as well as Jerry Angelo as a lame-duck GM, then it will be interesting to see who the Bears can actually find to take their offensive coordinator job. Sherm Lewis? John Shoop? Terry Shea?

The hot name is Mike Martz b/c of the connection to Lovie in St Louis. Plus Whoever runs the Bears offense is basically a head coach of half the team.

Also they are saying now that Lovie will be back but they will take away his defensive play callng duties...which begs the question....if Lovie isn't coaching the offense...isn't calling the defense...isn't coaching special teams....what the hell exactly is his function as a head coach then?
 
Bears big move...It is being reported, they are moving Rod Marinelli to DC.

Should anyone on this staff actually be promoted?
 
so... i'm serious here

can anyone provide me an example of a head coach stripped of power, and then having success?

I actually like lovie....i don't think he's a great head football coach...but I don't think he is horrible

but you reach a point of diminishing returns

this is a death spiral...and they are just extending the fall

Mike Holmgren did better in GB once he was stripped of his GM duties. But I don't think the Lovie Smith thing is anywhere near the same situation.
 
Mike Holmgren did better in GB once he was stripped of his GM duties. But I don't think the Lovie Smith thing is anywhere near the same situation.
At least Holmgren was still running the offense....

Smith isn't running anything anymore....
 
At least Holmgren was still running the offense....

Smith isn't running anything anymore....

Not really the same example but I'm 99% sure Caldwell doesn't run anything in Indy either . Coyer does the D, Moore and Mudd coach the O/O-line and Rychleski is the special teams coach .
 
Not really the same example but I'm 99% sure Caldwell doesn't run anything in Indy either . Coyer does the D, Moore and Mudd coach the O/O-line and Rychleski is the special teams coach .

Yeah, not really the same seeing as Lovie has never run the offense but hired in a below average OC to do the job. I'm not going to fault Caldwell in Indy for keeping quality coordinators around when he can facilitate them well enough.

Lovie at one time had a very good DC, but fired Rivera after the SB season because they didn't see eye to eye. Babich blew then Lovie took over the job thinking he could save the defense and failed. Everything Lovie has touched and done since his contract extension has failed miserably.
 
Yeah, not really the same seeing as Lovie has never run the offense but hired in a below average OC to do the job. I'm not going to fault Caldwell in Indy for keeping quality coordinators around when he can facilitate them well enough.

Lovie at one time had a very good DC, but fired Rivera after the SB season because they didn't see eye to eye. Babich blew then Lovie took over the job thinking he could save the defense and failed. Everything Lovie has touched and done since his contract extension has failed miserably.

No doubt . It was easier for Caldwell to keep the O the same and not dick around with a winning formula . I knew it wasn't the same at all but he was the only coach I could directly think off that doesn't coach any one area of the team directly.
 
No doubt . It was easier for Caldwell to keep the O the same and not dick around with a winning formula . I knew it wasn't the same at all but he was the only coach I could directly think off that doesn't coach any one area of the team directly.

Sadly Lovie doesn't run the offense and made a bad hire and fucked up a winning formula with firing Rivera as a DC.

Lovie Smith since the SB FTL.
 
I agree, although I really think it has more to do with the players on defense


you just can't have 4 straight drafts with NO good new defensive players


not one

your key defensive players have been the same since 05.... and they are just getting older

tillman, alex brown, ogunleye, tommy harris, briggs, urlacher

tillman - still good...but hurt often as he gets older

alex brown- always just solid

ogunleye- worse

harris- worse

briggs- maybe better then in 06 (but was pretty damn good in 05 and 06)

urlacher- declining


i mean all you got to do is look at this key group as a whole from 05 on

05 good but getting better
06 piqued about week 8
07 declining
08 rapidly declining
09 useless

the only player still in his prime in this group is briggs

Really?!

Ogunleye had a comeback year IMO...
 
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