So when Vitor beats And1 does he become number 1?

[Liquidrob]

or does he get the Werdum treatment?

I think he goes straight to the top because the UFC logo on the mat, what do you think?

 

[EmpireWF]

Depends on how he wins.

 

[calgaryballer]

I think it's more about a body of work than a single fight. When GSP lost to Serra, Serra wasn't #1 in the world. If Belfort wins, I want to see a title defence or two before I call him the best MW in the world

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Clearly.

Your no.1 I beat you..Im no.1

Theres no other 185er in And1s class in another org so the Werdum paradox doesnt come into play.

 

[Liquidrob]

I think it's more about a body of work than a single fight. When GSP lost to Serra, Serra wasn't #1 in the world. If Belfort wins, I want to see a title defence or two before I call him the best MW in the world

Serra was ranked number 1 by pretty much every site

 

[Liquidrob]

Clearly.

Your no.1 I beat you..Im no.1

Theres no other 185er in And1s class in another org so the Werdum paradox doesnt come into play.

huh? there was a HW in Fedor's class?

 

[calgaryballer]

Serra was ranked number 1 by pretty much every site

Not in my head. If you'd be the underdog against every other ranked fighter in that division, are you really the #1 guy? Or someone who won a reality show and landed a great punch?

 

[Champ]

Depends on how he wins.

This.

 

[Liquidrob]

Not in my head. If you'd be the underdog against every other ranked fighter in that division, are you really the #1 guy? Or someone who won a reality show and landed a great punch?

I am not talking about your own personal rankings, the facts were Serra was considered number 1 by the MMA media

What do you think will happen when/IF Vitor wins? I think the Zuffa bias will be there, it will look like this

1. Belfort
2. Silva
3. Sonnen

Proving again that Werdum has been screwed by the bias, Werdum's resume is proven at HW unlike guys like Serra and Belfort in there weight classes

 

[calgaryballer]

In that case, ya, he probably ends up #1.

IMO -
1. Vitor
2. Silva
3. Jacare
4. Sonnen

 

[Liquidrob]

Depends on how he wins.

TKO Round 1, 69 seconds

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

huh? there was a HW in Fedor's class?

Brock was reigning terror in the UFC and Overeem is still the belt holder.

That complicated things for HW rankings.

And1 has no peer at 185 thus far in or out of the org. Very easy to name Vitor number 1 and not have someone debate it with something valid.

 

[Liquidrob]

Brock was reigning terror in the UFC and Overeem is still the belt holder.

That complicated things for HW rankings.

And1 has no peer at 185 thus far in or out of the org. Very easy to name Vitor number 1 and not have someone debate it with something valid.

lol, just stop with the Brock stuff

Werdum should have been 1, no other option really, he was a top 10 HW with some very good wins and tapped Fedor in 60 seconds

Vitor has like 2 fights at MW in his career and his last fight was at 195 in the UFC, he doesnt even have the resume Werdum had in his own weight class

 

[EmpireWF]

TKO Round 1, 69 seconds

:ionno:

Fact is, there is no undisputed #1 if Silva loses.

Some will say Belfort because he beat the champ and is undefeated (in 3 fights) at 185.

Some will say Okami, despite his two losses to Franklin and Sonnen.

Nuts will say Sonnen.

Some will say Jacare despite the loss to Mousasi and the fact he hasn't beaten a top 5 or 10 18er.

And depending on the type of loss, some may even keep Silva in the top spot.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

lol, just stop with the Brock stuff

Werdum should have been 1, no other option really, he was a top 10 HW with some very good wins and tapped Fedor in 60 seconds

Vitor has like 2 fights at MW in his career and his last fight was at 195 in the UFC, he doesnt even have the resume Werdum had in his own weight class

Yap yap yap.

Overeem was the HW champ and humiliated Rogers who some felt gave Fedor trouble.
Brock was UFC champ and wreaking havoc.

Your telling others to put aside personal rankings and you go respond with your anti-UFC nonsense.

And1 has no peers going into tonight. Noone even close to him or that can be made an argument for at 185. If Vitor beats him hes instant no.1

Much as I love Fedor same cannot be said when Werdum beat him.
Werdum should have been no.1 but theres very easy arguments to be made to the contrary. Dont blame others for your inability to see the forrest through the trees.

 

[Liquidrob]

Brock was giving the number 1 spot without even fighting

You bought the hype, beating Mir is impressive to you, maybe Freeman, Vera and Cruz should be top 10 also

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Brock was giving the number 1 spot without even fighting

You bought the hype, beating Mir is impressive to you, maybe Freeman, Vera and Cruz should be top 10 also

They were in different orgs...duh.


Still doesnt dispute Overeem being the champ in that org.
Still doesnt discount Brock being ranked no.2 by most and no 1 by some.
Your opinions are clearly irrelevant.

You cant ask a question like you did then try and dispute these responses.
The people who make rankings are not anti-zuffa lamebrains so yes that is there line of thinking and justifiably so.


Vitor beats And 1 he is no1 without question. Theres nothing reasonable as to why he wouldnt be. If Serra got it Vitor gets it by a mile.

Werdum may deserve it to most but way too easy to argue against it.
"Hes not even the belt holder" is pretty much an open and shut case against anyone being the best. Fedor got a pass because of his retarded Mgmnt and obvious nuclear super human status for a decade. Werdum did not get afforded the same luxury.

 

[Liquidrob]

After Werdum beat Fedor it should have went

1. Werdum
2. Fedor
3. The rest

Werdum > Serra and Vitor easily with wins in there weightclass, really can't be argued, it all came down to zuffa bias rankings, that is not an opinion its a fact because history proves it

 

[Liquidrob]

Throw in when Gil beat Aoki the number 2 and only went to 3, Frankie jumping over everyone after a close decision win over Penn

The bias is ruining the sport

 

[EmpireWF]

Rob is silly

After Melendez beat Aoki, he went to #2 IIRC. Then when Edgar beat Penn, he went to #1 and rightfully so with Penn at #2 and Melendez @ #3 IIRC.