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The lineup protection myth

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The Pittsburgh Pirates are threatening all-time records for offensive ineptitude. They are scoring just 2.86 runs per game and posting a .266 on-base percentage, which would tie the 1908 Brooklyn Superbas for the lowest mark any team has posted since 1900. And yet, surrounded by teammates who are performing at historically inept levels, center fielder Andrew McCutchen has been brilliant.

Through his first 41 games, McCutchen was hitting .338/.391/.543 and racking up 20 percent of the team's home runs and runs scored totals by himself. Already a budding star, McCutchen is posting career highs in batting average, OBP and slugging percentage, and he's doing it with the worst surrounding cast anybody has had in quite some time.

The Pirates' rotation of "cleanup hitters" -- which has included Pedro Alvarez, Neil Walker and Casey McGehee -- has combined to hit .199/.258/.280 when batting behind McCutchen. With this kind of protection, you might think McCutchen would be on a career-high pace for walks and rarely seeing a pitch anywhere near the strike zone.

You would be wrong. McCutchen is actually seeing more pitches in the strike zone this year than in any other season of his career. Here are the Pitch F/X data for percent of pitches he has seen in the zone over the past four years:


2009: 53.9 percent
2010: 53.0 percent
2011: 51.4 percent
2012: 55.1 percent

As a response to the increased number of strikes he's seeing, McCutchen is also swinging at more pitches than ever, and the combination of more strikes and more swings has led to the lowest walk rate of his career. After drawing 89 free passes last year, he had just 13 in the first quarter of the 2012 season, and two of those were intentional.

It's hard to explain these results under the umbrella of the "protection theory," which holds that batters get better pitches to hit if there is a quality hitter on deck, as pitchers don't want to issue a walk that would put a runner on for that quality hitter. It's hard to imagine the Pirates' cleanup hitters are intimidating anyone right now, however, so how do we explain why McCutchen is being thrown so many strikes in a lineup that is one of the most futile in the game's history?

Small sample size would be one explanation, as one example doesn't prove anything conclusively. But we can look around the league and see other scenarios where the protection theory would suggest a significant difference from what is taking place. In Milwaukee, Ryan Braun's protector shifted from Prince Fielder to Aramis Ramirez, and the lack of Fielder's presence was supposed to lead to a significant uptick in walks for Braun as pitchers chose to go after the much weaker hitting right-hander instead.

However, Braun's percentage of pitches in the strike zone has also gone up from what it was a year ago and, like McCutchen, he's also walking less than he did when he was better protected. In fact, even with Fielder in Detroit, Braun has yet to draw an intentional walk this season, and his .323/.393/.621 line would be the best of his career. The idea that Fielder's presence was getting Braun better pitches to hit is harder to swallow when Braun gets more strikes and hits even better after Fielder switches leagues.

For another example, simply look to another team in the NL Central, as Joey Votto is mashing the ball for the Reds but regularly getting stranded by an anemic collection of cleanup hitters behind him. The combination of Brandon Phillips and Scott Rolen (along with a couple of appearances from Jay Bruce and Ryan Ludwick) have combined to post a .648 OPS in the No. 4 spot in the order, 50 points lower than what the Reds' No. 8 hitters have done. Votto is perhaps the game's best left-handed hitter, but despite being protected by a second baseman whose primary value comes from his defense, he's seen no change in the rate of strikes he's been thrown. In fact, over the past four years, the percentage of pitches that Votto has seen in the zone has hardly moved at all, coming in between 44.4 and 44.9 percent in each season since 2009.

If the protection theory was true, we'd have expected Braun's walk rate to spike, McCutchen to be leading the league in free passes, and Votto's performance to fall off once the Reds had to move a middle infielder into the cleanup spot. We haven't seen any of those things, and it's worth noting that Miguel Cabrera -- the guy now benefiting from the intimidating on-deck presence of Fielder -- is having his worst offensive season since 2008.

The protection theory sounds true enough, but it begins to break down once you look at the evidence and think through the conclusions it forces you to draw. After all, the basic premise of the theory is that pitchers are going to change their approach in such a way that it benefits the hitter being protected, making it more likely he gets a pitch to hit. However, that is the result the pitcher is supposedly trying to prevent, so the protection theory forces us to believe that pitchers choose to throw pitches that make it more likely that they have to face the scary on-deck hitter with a man on.

If the protection theory held true in real life, it would be on prominent display in Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and Cincinnati. The evidence suggests that pitchers simply aren't pitching McCutchen, Braun and Votto any differently now than they were when they were better protected, and all three are carrying their teams despite a lack of firepower behind them.
 
I don't believe in lineup "protection" per say but I think a guy who is able to get on base or be a feared hitters helps out other batters in the lineup in certain ways
 
So you do believe in lineup protection then.

Not really. I don't believe simply having Albert Pujols in front of Holiday somehow makes Holiday better on a daily basis "just because". But frankly it's pretty dumb to think that if a pitcher has to throw from the stretch a lot or is worried about some runner on 1st that he doesn't shrink his margin of error through things like decreased focus on one task or fatigue.

If Pujols doesn't do his job it doesn't help Holiday
 
Not really. I don't believe simply having Albert Pujols in front of Holiday somehow makes Holiday better on a daily basis "just because". But frankly it's pretty dumb to think that if a pitcher has to throw from the stretch a lot or is worried about some runner on 1st that he doesn't shrink his margin of error through things like decreased focus on one task or fatigue.

If Pujols doesn't do his job it doesn't help Holiday

That's the theory of lineup protection though. Numbers bear out of the course of years that this isn't true. I agree with you, basic human psyche would tell you that it SHOULD be true, but analytically there's no evidence.
 
That's the theory of lineup protection though.
Not really IMO. Lineup "protection" to me means that simply slotting player X in behind player Y makes player Y more likely to do better just because. Or in the above stories case "because a good player is on deck". I don't buy into that rubbish.
Numbers bear out of the course of years that this isn't true. I agree with you, basic human psyche would tell you that it SHOULD be true, but analytically there's no evidence.
The data IMO is flawed because there's not enough control of it. Is the player seeing more or less fastballs when a guy is one base? BABIP? Etc. There's too many factors involved to simply say it does or doesn't exist. The above story doesn't even address my personal line of thinking so whatever I guess.

Part of the "pitching around theory addressed" in the above also has to do with the value of a walk(or any player getting on base)/out as well.
 
I thought protection meant that Player X hitting in front of Player Y should get strikes thrown to him, or not pitched around, because Player Y will "make them pay"
 
I thought protection meant that Player X hitting in front of Player Y should get strikes thrown to him, or not pitched around, because Player Y will "make them pay"

That's a part of it. The whole idea is that Player Y's skill level affects the way Player X is pitched to whether it's more fastballs, less strikes, etc. it's the whole over arcing idea that the pitcher is worried about the guy on deck and thus pitches differently to the guy at the plate.

There's been extensive work done on it years and years worth of data that suggests it's completely irrelevant. Ryan Ludwick batting in front of Albert Pujols doesn't make Ryan Ludwick any better or cause pitchers to pitch any differently to Ludwick then they have his entire career.
 
I think this article proves the protection theory. They are looking at McCutchen and Braun as the ones who need to be protected but don't have any and not as the "protectors" in the lineup. They are pitching to McCutchen and Braun because they can because no one is protecting them. I look at it as the guys that they are protecting aren't doing their job so they can afford to pitch to Cutch or Braun. So what if you pitch to McCutchen and he smacks a lead off double or some shit. Who's following him? Nobody worth a damn, that's who.
 
It matters in a small sample of situations, which is why studies don't show any significant evidence.

For example, nobody cares if Joey Votto is looming on deck in a 6-0 game in the bottom of the fourth with two outs. Nobody cares who's batting behind him in that situation, either.

However, if it's the top of the 8th, with two men on, in a 2-1 game, with two outs, you can bet that the pitcher is going to go after Drew Stubbs and do whatever it takes to not walk him to avoid facing Votto in that situation. You can show me any statistic you want. Watching baseball for close to 30 years, I know this to be true.

And this example is stupid:

For another example, simply look to another team in the NL Central, as Joey Votto is mashing the ball for the Reds but regularly getting stranded by an anemic collection of cleanup hitters behind him. The combination of Brandon Phillips and Scott Rolen (along with a couple of appearances from Jay Bruce and Ryan Ludwick) have combined to post a .648 OPS in the No. 4 spot in the order, 50 points lower than what the Reds' No. 8 hitters have done. Votto is perhaps the game's best left-handed hitter, but despite being protected by a second baseman whose primary value comes from his defense, he's seen no change in the rate of strikes he's been thrown. In fact, over the past four years, the percentage of pitches that Votto has seen in the zone has hardly moved at all, coming in between 44.4 and 44.9 percent in each season since 2009.

Votto is leading the league in walks, and is on pace for the highest walk total in Reds history. Strike percentage does not tell the whole story, here. He's been pitched around constantly the last two seasons, and as Scott Rolen has regressed since 2010, those walk totals keep climbing. As soon as pitchers fall behind, they give up, and he sees dirt balls and pitches 3 feet wide of the plate. He also leads the league in intentional walks.

Also, the article ignores the fact that Zack Cozart & Drew Stubbs have all struggled mightily in the leadoff spot (I think Reds leadoff hitters have combined for a slash line that looks something like .190/.290/.300), yet Cozart & Stubbs have thrived batting second. That's one spot ahead of guess who? Does that have to do with lineup protection? I don't know, probably not entirely. But it doesn't fit the narrative of the article, so it was selectively left out or ignored.

Line up protection doesn't matter for shit in 90% of AB's. Neither does who leads off, or who bats cleanup, or just about any lineup decision. But the reason you want a high OBA player, preferably fast, leading off is for those circumstances where it does come into play, and he ends up in scoring position for your best hitters. Same deal with lineup protection. It might only matter in one or two AB's per game, but those small pieces of leverage can make a big difference when most major league games tend to be close.
 
I'd be more interested to see what having a player on base does to pitch velocity, accuracy, pitch selection etc. I think that's "protection" and I buy into that. Not that McCutcheon or Votto are being pitched around or pitched to based on who is or isn't on deck(for the most part).

Cutch is going to get pitched to because the Pirates suck. If Cutch comes up and the Pirates are down 4-0, they are going to pitch to him. The pitcher has the odds. Cutch, for as great as he is, still fails at getting on base 6.5-7 times out of 10. With the value of an out compared to the scoring possibility of putting Cutch on, you take the risk. Cutch is less likely to score directly from the batters box than he would be if he's already on 1B IMO.(Generally speaking)
 
Honestly I believe in lineup protection. No real basis behind this belief though, I just think when you are hitting in front of a superstar caliber player [Votto] that you are going to see better pitches to hit. The splits Drew Stubbs and Zack Cozart have in relation to batting 2nd as opposed to anywhere else in the lineup is staggering. Of course, you still have to have SOME type of talent batting in front of the superstar, so that might be why the Pirates case doesn't back up my belief :dtrain:
 
I believe in some sort of lineup protection to an extent, sort of what Rudi said.

I think the most bogus thing is lineup "roles." Those only come into play one time through the lineup. After that, all bets are off as to the order of things.
 
The article in the original post is horrible and completely misses the point. Here's why.

1) W2B put it very well. For probably 80 percent of at bats, I don't believe that lineup protection has much of an impact on star hitters who usually hit number 3 in the lineup. It's the clutch situations late in games where lineup protection comes in to play. Looking at a player's complete stats for the year waters down the situations where lineup protection really matters.

2) Just looking at the number of strikes thrown also paints an incomplete picture. Where are the strikes being thrown in the zone? What percentage of strikes are fastballs? Those are the numbers I want to hear about.

3) I think the biggest impact of lineup protection comes from the non-superstar player that hits behind the stud hitter. I've seen the #2 hitter in St. Louis benefit greatly from hitting behind Albert Pujols for years. Whenever I read these lineup protection analysis' it's always focused on teams #3 and #4 hitters. I'd like to see the impact that it has on the #2 hitter because that's where I think lineup protection comes in to play the most.
 
The article in the original post is horrible and completely misses the point. Here's why.

1) W2B put it very well. For probably 80 percent of at bats, I don't believe that lineup protection has much of an impact on star hitters who usually hit number 3 in the lineup. It's the clutch situations late in games where lineup protection comes in to play. Looking at a player's complete stats for the year waters down the situations where lineup protection really matters.

2) Just looking at the number of strikes thrown also paints an incomplete picture. Where are the strikes being thrown in the zone? What percentage of strikes are fastballs? Those are the numbers I want to hear about.

3) I think the biggest impact of lineup protection comes from the non-superstar player that hits behind the stud hitter. I've seen the #2 hitter in St. Louis benefit greatly from hitting behind Albert Pujols for years. Whenever I read these lineup protection analysis' it's always focused on teams #3 and #4 hitters. I'd like to see the impact that it has on the #2 hitter because that's where I think lineup protection comes in to play the most.

I agree, especially on point number 2. I remember when Adrian Gonzales was on the Padres and he had to swing at absolute junk all the time. He was the only hitter they had and if he walked, they didn't score. It was that simple. So he had to swing aggressively to try to get anything going - and since he's such a talented player he would still be able to mash. Then he goes to Boston and is placed in a quality line-up and his numbers fly through the roof - even on the road (obviously it's better for hitters in Fenway as opposed to PETCO).
 
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