The UFC will be embrassed 2 weekends in a row

[Liquidrob]

Strikeforce TKO'd the TUF Finale in the 1st round, this weekend they went all boxing PPV on 'the fans' with just a main event fight, the K-1 WGP will make this UFC look silly just like SF did last week

When the UFC goes head to head with other orgs/combat sports they usually lose, I'm not talking ratings and fairy tale PPV buys, I'm talking quality and excitement

 

[EmpireWF]

:youmad:

 

[calgaryballer]

If only the K-1 GP wasn't happening from 12-5 MST and instead was actually head to head...

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The Strikeforce show was good. I also enjoyed the TUF Finale.

Nobody cares about kickboxing.

 

[Liquidrob]

Throw another weekend on the UFC's corpse

Sengoku and DREAM will kill this $50 UFC

 

[EmpireWF]

Throw another weekend on the UFC's corpse

I wish I had a corpse that just completed another record setting PPV year.

 

[Liquidrob]

I wish I had a corpse that just completed another record setting PPV year.

source?

 

[EmpireWF]

12/29 WON:

As it turned out, UFC came significantly short of the 10 million buys figure for the year that had been thrown around a few months ago. But in doing an estimated 8,970,000 buys in 2010 and grossing an estimated $403 million in PPV revenue, broke the all-time records set by the company last year of an estimated 7,755,000 buys and $349 million in North America. If you include the WEC event, the numbers would be 9,145,000 and $411 million.

 

[Liquidrob]

I said source, not made up numbers

 

[EmpireWF]

If you don't want to believe the #s, then I guess STRIKEFORCE IS NUMMA 1 in ULTIMATE CAGEFIGHTING! :thumbsup:

 

[Liquidrob]

and of course you would bring up PPV numbers like they mean something when talking about fights

 

[JayDizzle]

and of course you would bring up PPV numbers like they mean something when talking about fights

There is some correlation when it comes to spending money and fighters you want to see/are conditioned to see, Rob.

"Has a big fuckin' Cock on his chest" Lesnar = Buys and Revenue.

"Scrappy-Indie who was last seen eating fists in a dive bar but gets a shot at the champ" Guy = :yawn:

Yeah, you want to see quality fights and something more than the same fucking fight 5 times a year but you'd have to roll the dice and throw money at every PPV in hopes of seeing such a thing.

UFC, while not the pinnacle of MMA, is recognizable and a 'safe bet' if you want to pitch cash toward a Cage Fight PPV.

 

[EmpireWF]

and of course you would bring up PPV numbers like they mean something when talking about fights

You referred to the UFC as a corpse.

I argue that it must be the most lively corpse in history being that they make record money.

If the fights were as bad as you say, people wouldn't want that shit.

Look at WWE, the only recognizable brand in pro wrestling. Their PPV business is down b/c their product has been shit.

 

[Liquidrob]

I love you talking PPV numbers with no sources, comical

Thats why they had to get the sheik to loan them money and sell part of the UFC off

The brothers bankrupt everything, the UFC will be next, I wonder if Dana will take another picture of his tombstone with the WEC on it, they couldnt even keep that thing running

 

[EmpireWF]

I love you talking PPV numbers with no sources, comical

Thats why they had to get the sheik to loan them money and sell part of the UFC off

The brothers bankrupt everything, the UFC will be next, I wonder if Dana will take another picture of his tombstone with the WEC on it, they couldnt even keep that thing running

rob you are hysterical....

As far as selling 10% to the Abu Dhabi group...no real surefire answer. If you believe DW (which you don't), it opens up avenues to expand into the Middle East (granted, nothing as come of that...at least publicly to date). If you believe otherwise, the Fertitta's needed cash to put up for their Station Casino's debt.

Either way, the UFC is hardly negatively effected.

Couldn't keep WEC running? lmao

Made absolutely no sense to do so. Once UFC hit Versus, WEC became expendable. Why keep WEC as it's own entity doing the ratings it did, making no money....when they can absorb the fighters and get fresh fights, and more fights?

Give me a legit, logical reason why the UFC's business is going to hit a road block and die off...I'll listen.

Are you Vince McMahon? Next thing, you'll be saying how they can't maintain stars because they don't control wins and losses.

Oh wait...

 

[JeremyHight]

As bad as the TUF fight was, if you talk to any average sports fan the day after, almost none of them had any clue there was even a SF event.

Are there some great independent movies out there that nobody watches? Definitely, but if you want to talk business, you don't bring up cowboys eating pudding, you bring up money makers like Avatar. Right now, the UFC is big business and SF is hoping just to get by.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

As bad as the TUF fight was, if you talk to any average sports fan the day after, almost none of them had any clue there was even a SF event.

Are there some great independent movies out there that nobody watches? Definitely, but if you want to talk business, you don't bring up cowboys eating pudding, you bring up money makers like Avatar. Right now, the UFC is big business and SF is hoping just to get by.

i hope SF can keep it together and do better. this is a do or die year for them

 

[Liquidrob]

As bad as the TUF fight was, if you talk to any average sports fan the day after, almost none of them had any clue there was even a SF event.

Are there some great independent movies out there that nobody watches? Definitely, but if you want to talk business, you don't bring up cowboys eating pudding, you bring up money makers like Avatar. Right now, the UFC is big business and SF is hoping just to get by.

lol, another post that has nothing to do what I was talking about, see the first post in the thread

When the UFC goes head to head with other orgs/combat sports they usually lose, I'm not talking ratings and fairy tale PPV buys, I'm talking quality and excitement

When you have to start bringing up made up PPV numbers and the UFC's 'popularity' with the average joe blow fan than you have no arguement

 

[calgaryballer]

From a quality standpoint, I do think that the Japanese orgs have an argument. However, I will take issue with Strikeforce. While it is exciting, that is where it ends. It's an organization of UFC washouts. I may as well watch MFC if I want to see UFC flame outs (which I do)

Henderson v Babalu
Hendo went 3-2 in the UFC, then lost to Jake Shields
Babalu put together a nice post UFC run, but is 1-2 in important fights in Strikeforce
Lawler went 4-3 in the UFC and then got smothered by Shields
Lindland is 2-4 over last 6 and is more done then Liddell
Mike Kyle has losses to guys like Wayne Cole on his record (who? Oh, 16-17 record)
Antonio Silva is a promising HW

Look, I like Diaz, but he went 4-4 against the middle of the UFC WW division. His new punches in bunches style may give him a better chance, but really, does it matter?

I know you hate to recognize it, but the UFC is the main event and it's becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. Guys who make it to the big show probably end up fighting more conservatively because they want to stay there. They don't want to fight on a ShoXC event or in front 7146 fans (the hendo-Babalu crowd) on Showtime.

At least when I look at the Japanese cards I see a.) relevant fights in the lighter divisions and b.) true freak shows.

 

[Liquidrob]

From a quality standpoint, I do think that the Japanese orgs have an argument. However, I will take issue with Strikeforce. While it is exciting, that is where it ends. It's an organization of UFC washouts. I may as well watch MFC if I want to see UFC flame outs (which I do)

Henderson v Babalu
Hendo went 3-2 in the UFC, then lost to Jake Shields
Babalu put together a nice post UFC run, but is 1-2 in important fights in Strikeforce
Lawler went 4-3 in the UFC and then got smothered by Shields
Lindland is 2-4 over last 6 and is more done then Liddell
Mike Kyle has losses to guys like Wayne Cole on his record (who? Oh, 16-17 record)
Antonio Silva is a promising HW

Look, I like Diaz, but he went 4-4 against the middle of the UFC WW division. His new punches in bunches style may give him a better chance, but really, does it matter?

I know you hate to recognize it, but the UFC is the main event and it's becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. Guys who make it to the big show probably end up fighting more conservatively because they want to stay there. They don't want to fight on a ShoXC event or in front 7146 fans (the hendo-Babalu crowd) on Showtime.

At least when I look at the Japanese cards I see a.) relevant fights in the lighter divisions and b.) true freak shows.

Please just stop with this non-sense, I expect better from you

UFC wash out or UFC reject has to be the dumbest statement ever, it means nothing and is just used to hype up guys the UFC keeps

You mean the Hendo that was in line for a title shot, that left on a win? The Babalu who left on a win? The Nick Diaz who left on 2 wins? What an awful breakdown of the Hendo vs Babalu card, lol @ all that

You 'fans' dont care about fights, you care about made up PPV buys, the UFC BRAND and popularity with casual fans

Also, when people start using terms like 'the big show' you know they have a warped sense of the fight game