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Top 3 Greatest Coaches Ever
- Thread starter MRN
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Kuzzy Powers
Beautiful Like Moses
1. Red
2. Phil
3. Sloan
Check that.. I never even seen Red coach so I cant make that call.
1. Phil Jackson
2. Jerry Sloan
3. Pat Riley
2. Phil
3. Sloan
Check that.. I never even seen Red coach so I cant make that call.
1. Phil Jackson
2. Jerry Sloan
3. Pat Riley
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Esjay
Luck2Hilton
That makes Red a better GM than Phil which we already know and which isn't the question.
1. Phil
2. Greg Popovich
3. Jerry Sloan
Esjay
Luck2Hilton
That makes little sense. Did Dean Smith take the shot Jordan's freshman year? No. Jordan had champion in him from the day he picked up a basketball, nobody (besides MJ) 'made' him into anything.
No doubt Red was a great coach but I never saw him.
FirstTimer
Freeman Error
How the hell is Pop in the discussion for GOAT over guys like Red?
Never won back to back titles so the Spurs "dynasty" was simply a run of winning every other year.
Red>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pop.
Never won back to back titles so the Spurs "dynasty" was simply a run of winning every other year.
Red>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pop.
Those are some decent points, which is why IMO there is not clear way to distinguish who is the greatest coach off all-time. Discussions like this become so trivial and laced with baseless opinion such as the "Red built the Celts" or "Phil had Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe" arguments. At the end of the day being a successful coach is about x's and o's and being able to deal with personalities and meshing them together and these are things both Red and Phil did exceptionally well. My preference is Jackson simply because I enjoy his laid back and freedom approach, but to each's own.
Esjay
Luck2Hilton
Red would definitely be 1 or 2 If I ever saw him coach.
FirstTimer
Freeman Error
Why limit it to only guys you have seen coach then?
If you know Red is good enough to be 1 or 2 just off general knowledge of history then why limit the list in general to only people you have seen coach? You obviously know enough abort Red to evaluate it and put him at 1 or 2 so how would actually seeing him coach help/hurt your evaluation?
You're saying Jackson was blessed with inheriting great players as if Red never had any. How they came to be has nothing to do with whether each coach had all-time greats on their roster. Red was blessed to have some great players as well.
Kuzzy Powers
Beautiful Like Moses
Its a case of people not ever getting to see Red coach. Its obviously a lot harder to draw an opinion up that way.
Senser81
VSN Poster of the Year
Because when the thread says "Top 3 Greatest Coaches Ever", what is really meant is "Top 3 Greatest Coaches seen by Bob Kuzzy".
FirstTimer
Freeman Error
Doesn't make any sense..especially considering his response...
What does seeing a coach sitting on the bench have to do with his evaluation of Red's talent as a coach? It's not like we don't have enough sources to evaluate him correctly.
Plus, Esjay says "if he had seen him coach" he'd be 1 or 2...
Huh? How would you know that you would rank him that high if you had seen him coach? The point of leaving him off the list for the "not seeing" him is because you can't fairly evaluate him as you've never seen him. So it's compeltely contradictory to the point to say "well if I had seen him coach he'd be one or two". Based on what?
Kuzzy Powers
Beautiful Like Moses
Umm, what?
Kuzzy Powers
Beautiful Like Moses
Im not defending Esjay.. im just saying thats why I think ppl are leaving Red off. I posted 2 lists for the sole reason of that. Red is the greatest coach of all time but I never really got to see him to confirm that, so I gave love to 3 guys ive watched coach my whole life.
And seeing a coach active can tell you a lot more about him than never seeing him at all. I get to see how Phil, Riley, Sloan, Pop handle themselves in certain situations. How they play certain players. Obviously being able to witness is better than reading a history book.
FirstTimer
Freeman Error
How can you say that so matter of factly then say you never saw him to confirm it?
IMO sometimes seeing a guy and/or being a fan of him can hurt an evaluation because of nostalgia reasons. It can cut both ways.
Kuzzy Powers
Beautiful Like Moses
Do you enjoy nitpicking or what?
Senser81
VSN Poster of the Year
Do you enjoy "seeing people coach" or what?
FirstTimer
Freeman Error
LOL at "nitpicking" qualifications for listing guys when they make no sense.
"Well I never saw the guy so I can't evaluate him......but.......If I had seen him he'd be #1 or #1 or #2."
Based on what? You have no idea what you would have seen...thus the entire point of not being able to evaluate him without seeing him in the first place.
