ULTIMATE FIGHTING ruins another one

[Liquidrob]

Anthony Pettis

"I'm happy that I got the victory but for me it was like a mental loss because I know I can perform much better than that. I really wanted to focus on my wrestling and my top game against Jeremy and show everyone that I am well-rounded, and that I do have wrestling. I think I did that, but I also think I could have done better.

"When you go to the UFC it's not all about 'showtime' kicking or knocking everybody out. Get people down, hold them down and you win fights."

 

[Liquidrob]

RIP Showtime, you will be missed

 

[EmpireWF]

Please, you make it seem like the Bendo fight was 5 rounds of Frye/Takayama. It was exciting, but it was hardly a slugfest.

Sounds to me like he's just butt hurt he got grapplefucked by Guida. Godforbid a guy become a complete fighter who can defend takedowns so he can kick box.

With that said, yeah, sucks when guys like Nik Lentz and Jon Fitch do what they do but this isn't Japan.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Wasn't rob the guy who claimed the Pettis kick was a work?

Anyway, the proliferation of wrestlers and the favorable scoring they receive is the worst aspect of the sport right now. Unfortunately, there is really nothing that can be done, unless judges get progressive and realize that holding a man down for 15 minutes and inflicting no damage is a negative, not a positive.

 

[Liquidrob]

Steel Mamba said it was, I probably agreed, there was a shady set up...

 

[EmpireWF]

How would you score a round where A takes B down and spends 4 minutes in halfguard delivering no major strikes?

 

[Liquidrob]

Please, you make it seem like the Bendo fight was 5 rounds of Frye/Takayama. It was exciting, but it was hardly a slugfest.

Sounds to me like he's just butt hurt he got grapplefucked by Guida. Godforbid a guy become a complete fighter who can defend takedowns so he can kick box.

With that said, yeah, sucks when guys like Nik Lentz and Jon Fitch do what they do but this isn't Japan.

he didnt even get 'grapplefucked' by guida, he out grappled guida in that 'fight', more sub attempts, more strikes, more everything besides being on top

 

[EmpireWF]

he didnt even get 'grapplefucked' by guida, he out grappled guida in that 'fight', more sub attempts, more strikes, more everything besides being on top

You can say Guida defended each of those sub attempts and rendered his striking moot by keeping him on his back.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

How would you score a round where A takes B down and spends 4 minutes in halfguard delivering no major strikes?

10-10.

If B is striking from the bottom and is more active, 10-9, B.

Judges aren't sophisticated enough/don't have the balls to score fights this way. The strategy will continue if it continues to be rewarded. The only way to break this and change the mind set is to score the way i demonstrated above, but it will NEVER happen.

 

[Liquidrob]

You can say Guida defended each of those sub attempts and rendered his striking moot by keeping him on his back.

um, guida didnt attempt anything and was on the defensive the entire time while being on top

how is being on top making his strikes moot? he is still getting hit, right?

 

[Liquidrob]

it's like Torres ve Mighty Mouse, Torres had sub attmepts, sweeps, strikes, MM just was on top, awful awful judging

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You can say Guida defended each of those sub attempts and rendered his striking moot by keeping him on his back.

This is entertainment as much as sport, boring tactics should be removed via rules/scoring changes.

Basketball teams used to nullify powerful offenses by holding the ball forever. This was boring for fans, and thus hurt the entertainment aspect, thus the shot clock was conceived.

Baseball pitchers would pitch around great hitters by never throwing hitable pitches. So they came up with four balls = a walk.

You get the idea. Just because it's a good strategy doesn't mean it's good for the sport. It needs to change.

 

[EmpireWF]

um, guida didnt attempt anything and was on the defensive the entire time while being on top

how is being on top making his strikes moot? he is still getting hit, right?

But Pettis never landed any major strikes that hurt Guida.

Look at the Fight Metric #s, they had it close but Guida. Pettis did not get screwed.

 

[Liquidrob]

when fighter A takes some down, does zero and than fighter B gets up it should be even, but like Warner said, judges are uneducated or just scared to score like this

Just like the 10-8 is so rare, scared judging

 

[EmpireWF]

This is entertainment as much as sport, boring tactics should be removed via rules/scoring changes.

Basketball teams used to nullify powerful offenses by holding the ball forever. This was boring for fans, and thus hurt the entertainment aspect, thus the shot clock was conceived.

Baseball pitchers would pitch around great hitters by never throwing hitable pitches. So they came up with four balls = a walk.

You get the idea. Just because it's a good strategy doesn't mean it's good for the sport. It needs to change.

Rob sees it less for entertainment though, you know, no pro wrestling allowed....

I know what you're talking about and it definitely leads to some atrocious fights. But with so many amazing wrestlers, unless the judges have some epiphany, lay and pray is an effective tactic to winning.

I agree, inactivity should be penalized. Get that yellow card back, fighters would not do nothing on the ground if they risked losing 10Gs or however much.

 

[EmpireWF]

Just like the 10-8 is so rare, scared judging

Agree there. 10-8 should not be an exception. It should be more prevalent.

I'd go so far to say that in a round, when a fighter does not land any offensive blow, a takedown, etc. but take even some damage...give them an 8. They did nothing to deserve the 9.

 

[Liquidrob]

But Pettis never landed any major strikes that hurt Guida.

Look at the Fight Metric #s, they had it close but Guida. Pettis did not get screwed.

use your eyes, not fightmetric stats, those things are not accurate

Pettis did more, did more than Guida who wanted the fight on the ground, Guida laid on top of him

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Rob sees it less for entertainment though, you know, no pro wrestling allowed....

I know what you're talking about and it definitely leads to some atrocious fights. But with so many amazing wrestlers, unless the judges have some epiphany, lay and pray is an effective tactic to winning.

I agree, inactivity should be penalized. Get that yellow card back, fighters would not do nothing on the ground if they risked losing 10Gs or however much.

Forget pro wrestling, every sport has to be self aware enough to understand that they are entertainment entities.

To the bold, if you look at almost any major rule change in any sport, 90% of them are rooted in eliminating boring, yet strategically effective tactics.

 

[Liquidrob]

Rob sees it less for entertainment though, you know, no pro wrestling allowed....

huh?

I want to be entertained, I also want it to be a fight and still about fighting, not points and not guys getting rewarded for not fighting which the current rules and judging make happen

 

[Liquidrob]

like warner says, once guys start losing for stalling it will change

Pride yellow cards, money lost, fight mfers