What Would Your Team Offer For Halladay/Lee/Martinez?

[Rudi]

The Reds wouldn't do it but I would imagine it would take someone like Cueto/Volquez along with some of our dope prospects like Drew Stubbs, Chris Valaika, Yonder Alonso. I dunno. We have no reason to do it.

 

[Obst]

Our team already made an offer for Halladay, so no point in posting that.
For Lee I think we are going to offer something like Happ, Donald and Taylor and maybe another propsect for him.

 

[NAHSTE]

For Halladay, I'd be willing to give up Javier Vazquez, Jordan Shafer and Yunel Escobar. That is the trade I posted in the Halladay thread 2 weeks ago, but given that Esco is now one of our better hitters, I'd like to hold off on dealing him.

That probably prevents a deal from getting done however because he's our best major league level trading chip.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

either bumgarner and 2 prospects or alderson and 3 to 4

 

[Mogriffjr]

IMO Mets would have to give up...

Pelfrey, Holt, Fernando!

or

Holt, Niese and Fernando!

 

[chazmaniandevil]

For Halladay, I'd be willing to give up Javier Vazquez, Jordan Shafer and Yunel Escobar. That is the trade I posted in the Halladay thread 2 weeks ago, but given that Esco is now one of our better hitters, I'd like to hold off on dealing him.

That probably prevents a deal from getting done however because he's our best major league level trading chip.

no doubt theyd want heyward instead of schafer or hanson instead of vazquez

vazquez is too old and schafer sucks

 

[NAHSTE]

no doubt theyd want heyward instead of schafer or hanson instead of vazquez

vazquez is too old and schafer sucks

And no doubt we'd tell them to fuck themselves. No team could ask for Heyward or Hanson with a straight face I'd think.

Not that this trade I offered is particularly good for Toronto, obviously Schafer sucks and Vazquez is old, but that's what we have to work with. There is no way either Heyward or Hanson would even come up in discussions, because no GM is stupid enough to think we'll even discuss those two.

Heyward is hitting .400 in AA right now and has an OPS of 1.280 in roughly 3 weeks. He's gonna be a .330/35/110 guy for the next 12 years.

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

And no doubt we'd tell them to fuck themselves. No team could ask for Heyward or Hanson with a straight face I'd think.

Not that this trade I offered is particularly good for Toronto, obviously Schafer sucks and Vazquez is old, but that's what we have to work with. There is no way either Heyward or Hanson would even come up in discussions, because no GM is stupid enough to think we'll even discuss those two.

Heyward is hitting .400 in AA right now and has an OPS of 1.280 in roughly 3 weeks. He's gonna be a .330/35/110 guy for the next 12 years.

When dealing for the best pitcher in baseball a team would probably have to give up there two best young prospects and more, and that is what the Blue Jays have been asking from every team. Now since the Braves dont need pitching then there is no chance of them doing this trade but if they were desperate for pitching then one if not both of them would have to be invlolved.

 

[Yawkey Way]

i think in order to get any of these guys the Red Sox are looking at Buchholz and then a combination of Anderson, Bowden, Reddick and more.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

And no doubt we'd tell them to fuck themselves. No team could ask for Heyward or Hanson with a straight face I'd think.

Not that this trade I offered is particularly good for Toronto, obviously Schafer sucks and Vazquez is old, but that's what we have to work with. There is no way either Heyward or Hanson would even come up in discussions, because no GM is stupid enough to think we'll even discuss those two.

Heyward is hitting .400 in AA right now and has an OPS of 1.280 in roughly 3 weeks. He's gonna be a .330/35/110 guy for the next 12 years.

thats what its gona take, theyre asking for bumgarner+alderson+ a lot more from the giants, basically all 4 of the phillies top prospects, and you think you wouldnt have to give up either of those 2 guys?

and lets not suck heywards dick and say heel be hitting .330/35/110 for the next 12 years before hes ever taken a ML ab

 

[NAHSTE]

thats what its gona take, theyre asking for bumgarner+alderson+ a lot more from the giants, basically all 4 of the phillies top prospects, and you think you wouldnt have to give up either of those 2 guys?

and lets not suck heywards dick and say heel be hitting .330/35/110 for the next 12 years before hes ever taken a ML ab

You must not know about this guy.....#3 prospect in all of baseball, is hitting .400 in AA through 100 at bats and has an OPS of 1.280, which is almost unheard of.

Oh yeah, I forgot, he doesn't even turn 20 until next month. You are just being stupid or lying through your teeth if you are denying this guy's ability, and his projection as a legit #3 hitter in the majors.

And no matter what Toronto is asking for Halladay, he isn't worth what they are asking. If they asked for Heyward or Hanson they'd get laughed at and hung up on. Just because they are being ridiculous with their asking price to other teams doesn't mean that's what they'll actually get.

Why give up one of the best prospects in all of baseball for a 33 old pitcher who you only get for 1 year?

Not to mention, Heyward is rated higher than any player mentioned so far, as is Hanson, so yeah, I'd be willing to bet Toronto knows they are untouchable. Each of Phillies top 4 prospects < Hanson and Heyward.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Wren would offer nothing. Because he gave up every top prospect in various trades.

 

[NAHSTE]

Wren would offer nothing. Because he gave up every top prospect in various trades.

This. Other than the two untouchables of course, all of our tradable chips are elsewhere (Neftali Feliz, Elvis Andrus, Jeff Locke, Tyler Flowers, etc.) so all we have left to trade is Escobar, Shafer and the two best prospects in baseball not named David Price, Colby Rasmuss or Matt Wieters.

Needless to say, we're done dealing.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

You must not know about this guy.....#3 prospect in all of baseball, is hitting .400 in AA through 100 at bats and has an OPS of 1.280, which is almost unheard of.

Oh yeah, I forgot, he doesn't even turn 20 until next month. You are just being stupid or lying through your teeth if you are denying this guy's ability, and his projection as a legit #3 hitter in the majors.

And no matter what Toronto is asking for Halladay, he isn't worth what they are asking. If they asked for Heyward or Hanson they'd get laughed at and hung up on. Just because they are being ridiculous with their asking price to other teams doesn't mean that's what they'll actually get.

Why give up one of the best prospects in all of baseball for a 33 old pitcher who you only get for 1 year?

Not to mention, Heyward is rated higher than any player mentioned so far, as is Hanson, so yeah, I'd be willing to bet Toronto knows they are untouchable. Each of Phillies top 4 prospects < Hanson and Heyward.

top prospects? whatever happened to mark prior? to delmon young? to jeremy hermida? to andy marte?

i could go on and on

 

[NAHSTE]

top prospects? whatever happened to mark prior? to delmon young? to jeremy hermida? to andy marte?

i could go on and on

But since Hanson is 22, already 5-1 in the big leagues, and Heyward is 19 and mashing in AA, their value is way too high to trade for an expensive 33 year old, as great as he is.

Face it young talent is too valuable in the current financial state of the game. Halladay is great, maybe the best at what he does, and on paper that trade might be even, but given that we control the rights of two of more talented young players (each are top 10 in baseball america) for 6 more years at a cheap price, there is no way they would be included.

Just ask Philadelphia what they thought of giving up any of their top prospects for Halladay. And Happ and Drabek aren't even considered to be as good as the top 2 young Braves were talking about.

It's all about value, and while you are right that not every prospect pans out, the chances are good that both of these players will, and if they do, it will be at a far cheaper rate and a far longer period of time than any team will get from trading for Halladay.

More than worth the risk IMO considering their current production and the fact that they are both <scout speak> "good bodies" </scout speak> , therefore low injury risks.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

But since Hanson is 22, already 5-1 in the big leagues, and Heyward is 19 and mashing in AA, their value is way too high to trade for an expensive 33 year old, as great as he is.

Face it young talent is too valuable in the current financial state of the game. Halladay is great, maybe the best at what he does, and on paper that trade might be even, but given that we control the rights of two of more talented young players (each are top 10 in baseball america) for 6 more years at a cheap price, there is no way they would be included.

Just ask Philadelphia what they thought of giving up any of their top prospects for Halladay. And Happ and Drabek aren't even considered to be as good as the top 2 young Braves were talking about.

It's all about value, and while you are right that not every prospect pans out, the chances are good that both of these players will, and if they do, it will be at a far cheaper rate and a far longer period of time than any team will get from trading for Halladay.

More than worth the risk IMO considering their current production and the fact that they are both <scout speak> "good bodies" </scout speak> , therefore low injury risks.

this has nothing to do with what you said, i agree that you shouldnt give these up for halladay, but thats what toronto would want, so a deal would never happen

you also said that heyward would hit .330/30/something ridiculous

the dude has never had a ML ab, even if hes mashing it up in AA that means absolutely nothing, lets wait and see

 

[NAHSTE]

this has nothing to do with what you said, i agree that you shouldnt give these up for halladay, but thats what toronto would want, so a deal would never happen

you also said that heyward would hit .330/30/something ridiculous

the dude has never had a ML ab, even if hes mashing it up in AA that means absolutely nothing, lets wait and see

Oh believe me, we will see. And we won't have to wait long. There are no red flags with Heyward. He has great plate discipline, he has a great arm, he's got power, he hits for average, he is known as a bright and likable kid, he's the son of two Dartmouth grads, etc.

I know there's nothing else to but wait until he can prove me right, but this is one prospect who literally "can't miss". Read any scouting report on the guy and they will say something similar. Quotes like "Can anchor an offense from the 3 hole for the next 10 years" are all you see about him, and his current production does little to dispel this notion.

His ceiling is Darryl Strawberry without the drug problem. His floor is an upper-middle class man's Jermaine Dye.

 

[chazmaniandevil]

1. Jason Heyward, OF
DOB: 8/9/89
Height/Weight: 6-4/220
Bats/Throws: L/L
Drafted/Signed: 1st round, 2007, Henry County HS (GA)
2008 Stats: .323/.388/.483, .262 EqA at Low-A (120 G); .182/.240/.273, .156 EqA at High-A (7 G)
Last Year's Ranking: 2

Year in Review: This former first-round pick more than lived up to expectations in his first full season.
The Good: The most notable thing about Heyward is that he's a great player now who still has incredible room for growth. He's a massive, intimidating presence at the plate who has a very good feel for the strike zone, and he makes consistent hard contact. Despite hitting just 11 home runs in 2008, he still projects for plus power down the road due to his size and raw strength. He's a good outfielder with a plus arm, and Braves officials rave about his work ethic.
The Bad: Heyward's power is still in the raw category, and he'll need to develop some life in his swing. Some scouts would also like to see him become less contact-conscious and more focused on power. He's an average-rated runner now, but that will likely decrease over the next few years as his immense frame fills out.
Fun Fact: If you're wondering what Heyward's hometown looks like, just watch the original Smokey and The Bandit, as much of it was filmed in McDonough, Georgia.
Perfect World Projection: He should be a run-producing impact hitter who bats third for a championship-level team
Glass Half Empty: The power may never explode, and he could end up being a good everyday player, as opposed to a great one.
Path To The Big Leagues: Heyward is the kind of prospect that take any opportunity he gets, and the Braves certainly need some help in the outfield. That said, he's still two or three years away.
Timetable: Heyward will take the next step by beginning the year at High-A Myrtle Beach. The goal is to have him ready for the upper levels the following year, and he has an outside chance of tasting the big leagues before his 21st birthday.

heres what i found on him

lol @ smokey and the bandit quote

overall that .300/30/whatever looks like his celing and his floor looks to be a good outfielder that hits about 15-20 homers a year

but were gona have to wait more than a year it looks like, he (like many other prospects) has a legitimate chance of flopping

i really hope the best for the kid, i just think its a little premature to suck his dick

 

[NAHSTE]

1. Jason Heyward, OF
DOB: 8/9/89
Height/Weight: 6-4/220
Bats/Throws: L/L
Drafted/Signed: 1st round, 2007, Henry County HS (GA)
2008 Stats: .323/.388/.483, .262 EqA at Low-A (120 G); .182/.240/.273, .156 EqA at High-A (7 G)
Last Year's Ranking: 2

Year in Review: This former first-round pick more than lived up to expectations in his first full season.
The Good: The most notable thing about Heyward is that he's a great player now who still has incredible room for growth. He's a massive, intimidating presence at the plate who has a very good feel for the strike zone, and he makes consistent hard contact. Despite hitting just 11 home runs in 2008, he still projects for plus power down the road due to his size and raw strength. He's a good outfielder with a plus arm, and Braves officials rave about his work ethic.
The Bad: Heyward's power is still in the raw category, and he'll need to develop some life in his swing. Some scouts would also like to see him become less contact-conscious and more focused on power. He's an average-rated runner now, but that will likely decrease over the next few years as his immense frame fills out.
Fun Fact: If you're wondering what Heyward's hometown looks like, just watch the original Smokey and The Bandit, as much of it was filmed in McDonough, Georgia.
Perfect World Projection: He should be a run-producing impact hitter who bats third for a championship-level team
Glass Half Empty: The power may never explode, and he could end up being a good everyday player, as opposed to a great one.
Path To The Big Leagues: Heyward is the kind of prospect that take any opportunity he gets, and the Braves certainly need some help in the outfield. That said, he's still two or three years away.
Timetable: Heyward will take the next step by beginning the year at High-A Myrtle Beach. The goal is to have him ready for the upper levels the following year, and he has an outside chance of tasting the big leagues before his 21st birthday.

heres what i found on him

lol @ smokey and the bandit quote

overall that .300/30/whatever looks like his celing and his floor looks to be a good outfielder that hits about 15-20 homers a year

but were gona have to wait more than a year it looks like, he (like many other prospects) has a legitimate chance of flopping

i really hope the best for the kid, i just think its a little premature to suck his dick

Thanks for posting the article, I think we'll see him before his 21st for sure. This report was written before the season, and since then he has already advanced to AA, which is pretty much the last stop for our system (Frenchy, McCann and "Yo-Yo" Reyes never even made it to AAA). With Francoeur out of the picture, expect him to get every chance to win the RF job outright next spring. I wouldn't even rule out seeing him in September to be honest.

The power might never become truly elite, but I think it will become very good. That's why I like the Jermaine Dye comparison. MLB has his "best case scenario" as Willie McCovey, which I only mention since you're a Giants fan, lol. Anyway,I have to believe that if he's 6'4 220 at 19 years old and is making "consistent hard contact" that at least some of those line drives will eventually turn into HRs.

I'll stop sucking his dick, but you have to stop sucking Pablo Sandoval's. I mean Mark Prior was tearing up the big leagues at 22 himself once upon a time. It might be too early to tell if Kung Fu is legit.

 

[Thesportsguy]

it would be hard to trade within the division but

for Halladay, it would be Bowden and clay buchholz and reddick

for martinez, it would be Bowden and reddick, or for buchholz straight up