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Which is best deal, Pujols or Fielder?

Chrispy

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No other free-agent position player came within $50 million of the deals that Albert Pujols ($246 million, according to the union's calculation) and Prince Fielder ($214 million) signed this winter.

No, check that: No other free-agent position player came within $100 million. There was a top 1 percent in the baseball world this winter, as well, with the middle class left to take the leftovers. The third-highest free-agent position player this winter was Jose Reyes, at $106 million, and the fourth-highest was Jimmy Rollins, whose deal of $38 million is more than $200 million less than Pujols' contract.

This makes the Pujols and Fielder deals fascinating to talent evaluators who have pored over the remains of the agreements as though they're conducting an autopsy.

An informal poll of 10 evaluators in the past few days -- a mix of team presidents, general managers, assistant GMs and scouts -- generated a solid consensus about whose deal was better for the respective clubs.


Five believe the Tigers' signing of Fielder was the better deal.

Three believe Pujols was the better signing.

Two believe both teams won't get what they paid for.

What follows are most of the individual responses:

High-ranking AL official: "I think I have to go with the Angels' signing of Pujols, only because from the marketing perspective, you understand what [Angels owner] Arte Moreno is trying to do. I think Pujols is going to have a much bigger impact from a revenue standpoint than Prince Fielder, because the Tigers have a ceiling with how much revenue they can generate. He's not going to change their TV [revenue] in the way that Pujols will. Albert's the older player, but I think he's the bigger star, and he'll generate more money."

High-ranking NL official: "Is Pujols going to be productive for two or three more years? Longer? That, to me, is the key question. If Pujols can be productive for the next six years, then the Angels got the better deal. If not, then Detroit. The Pujols deal could be an epic disaster if he's not productive in the last five or six years of the deal, at $30 million annually. The Fielder deal is one of the craziest deals in a while. That would have been a great deal at the beginning of the offseason. Not sure why the Tigers didn't just go huge for seven years. Given the market, $26 million a year over seven years or something would have been plenty. The nine years is just inexplicable in late January."

AL talent evaluator: "Fielder's the better deal. Fielder is the younger player, and he's left-handed; he turns 28 this spring. It's not inconceivable that at the end of this deal, he could still play a couple of more years, if he's pushing for the Hall of Fame. People I know say he absolutely loves this game. He loves playing baseball. I first saw Prince when he was in the ninth grade; he could rake then, and he can still rake now."

NL executive: "I think the Tigers got the better deal. Age matters. I might change my mind after the Cabrera third-base experiment unfolds."

NL executive: "Having lived those deals, I don't think either one of them will be happy."

AL scout: "Either deal is appealing, but I would go with the younger guy with fewer years -- Fielder."

AL official: "It's tough to tell. You have got Miguel Cabrera moving to third base, and that will dictate a lot to the value of the Fielder deal. Pujols fits better with the Angels, but [Mark] Trumbo has to switch positions or get traded. I think both will be good players early in the contract, but the true value will be told when they are four or five years into the deals."

NL evaluator: "I like the Tigers' deal for Fielder more than the Angels' deal for Pujols. Fielder is younger and more consistent, while Pujols is older -- and some people question his age being as young as he maintains -- and has seen his OPS decline for four straight seasons. Fielder got less money total, fewer years and less average annual value. Pujols brings leadership and legacy, but going forward, the better player is Fielder."

AL scout: "It's hard to like either of those deals, especially with respect to the Mark Teixeira and Adrian Gonzalez deals. However, if you're going to like one of them, I'd prefer the shorter, cheaper deal given to the younger player, to put it pretty simply, so I'd go with Detroit. I'm not sure either guy will carry any defensive value even three or four years into their respective deals, though at least Detroit can say that as Prince's deal winds down, they at least won't be paying him $30M per year as the Angels will to Pujols. Not crazy about either one, but Prince's seems to be more sensible."

-ESPN
 
Both kind of suck IMO. But I'll lean towards the younger guy with one less year at this point..even though guys with Fielder's body tend to break down younger.

Odd evaluation.
 
One year younger using their stated births. I've always thought Pujols was older then he said. He was way too advanced body-wise at age "21"
 
Dominican baseball player grows up in DR then moves to America and dominates every level of baseball and goes pro with the body of a 26-year old when he's 20.

Seems pretty simple to me. Not saying it's definitely true but I feel there's a few precedents.
 
Whoops, I put one year younger nevermind. Typo :(

The general point was suppose to be that Fielder is way younger and thus more valuable to me. Pujols doesn't seem old at 32 but I'm of the mindset that he's probably not 32. I don't really have clear evidence of that, but there's a lot of red flags to me. Even then if he is 32, he's going to break down very soon. Whereas Fielder at least has 3-4 more years of a peak.
 
Dominican baseball player grows up in DR then moves to America and dominates every level of baseball and goes pro with the body of a 26-year old when he's 20.

Seems pretty simple to me. Not saying it's definitely true but I feel there's a few precedents.
:joker: :joker:

Whoops, I put one year younger nevermind. Typo :(
:)

:smug:


The general point was suppose to be that Fielder is way younger and thus more valuable to me. Pujols doesn't seem old at 32 but I'm of the mindset that he's probably not 32. I don't really have clear evidence of that, but there's a lot of red flags to me. Even then if he is 32, he's going to break down very soon. Whereas Fielder at least has 3-4 more years of a peak.

Agreed.
 
Both deals are a bit too long, but the Detroit deal is more ludicrous. The Angels spent way too much money on the best player in the game, the Tigers spent way too much money on the 3rd or 4th best 1B/DH in the game, and possibly the 2nd best on their own roster.
 
I used to be impressed with Miggy at 3rd when I watched the Dodgers and Marlins play. He had a few good snags in his time at the corner. I think he'll be okay with all winter to get back into "3rd base shape."

:kanye:
 
I used to be impressed with Miggy at 3rd when I watched the Dodgers and Marlins play. He had a few good snags in his time at the corner. I think he'll be okay with all winter to get back into "3rd base shape."

:kanye:

He was pretty bad defensively at 21 years old and 240 lbs. Even if he gets back to 240 lbs. he still will be terrible, and likely worse. Players peak defensively at 23 or 24. His best case scenario is basically to get back to being below average, if you could even call it that.
 
Eh, I like both deals because these teams are ready to win and going for it.

Both deals will look bad in a half decade, but thats a long time from now and if these teams are perrenial playoff teams and win a WS or two, that's all that matters.

One of my regrets in life is not just following my old mans footsteps and being a Yankees fan. Being a fan of a team that has no budget must be so awesome.
 
Both contracts will be regrettable by both teams in the end. The Angels paid more money for an older, BUT better player, while the Tigers paid less money for a younger player. The one thing I will say about the Angels deal is that they brought in one of the marquee players in MLB. He will bring in ticket and merchandise revenue, more so than Prince Fielder would. Beyond that, the Angels already have a large television contract coming in that gives them the ability to do this deal without being too hurt by the amount of money. They have some nice leeway here. In the end, if I had to pick one that was best, it would be Pujols.
 
The last 4 years of the Fielder deal, I'm on record as saying it'll be the worst contract in baseball. I just think he'll depreciate faster...while Pujols is an old bastard, I just think he's got a skill set that will basically keep him as a respectable player until he retires. He'll be overpaid, but still a quality player, even if he's kind of like what A-Rod is now by the end of his contract.
 
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