Why don't more teams run more no huddle?

[kmanharris]

Why do teams wait until they are down in the 4th quarter or the time is running out in the 2nd? Why doesn't someone try and base their offense out of the no huddle?

For instance, look at Dallas' TD drive last night. We looked like complete and utter shit all game but in the 4th quarter, down 10, we ran a no huddle and went 80 some odd yards in 2 minutes and 30 seconds. The Atlanta defense was clearly gassed and that resulted in absolutely zero pass rush. The Dallas offense just seemed to run so much more efficiently. I sometimes wonder why we don't run the no huddle more frequently throughout the game.

Is it just not sustainable over longer periods of time? Are coaches just afraid to do something that wouldn't be considered "normal?"

 

[MrBill]

Dallas has no reason not to run the no huddle more often. It worked great for them in the 2nd half last week vs. the Giants and last night in the 4th quarter vs. the Falcons. Both of those teams have pretty good defenses and the Cowboys were moving the ball almost at will. If not for the Scandrick missed tackle and holding penalty, the Cowboys would have likely won last night had they been able to get the ball back with 2-3 minutes left on the clock.

 

[Aso]

I think part of it is fatigue will set in much quicker if you run it too much. It would take more conditioning in the off-season and training camp I would think to be able to do this a lot.

 

[kmanharris]

I think part of it is fatigue will set in much quicker if you run it too much. It would take more conditioning in the off-season and training camp I would think to be able to do this a lot.

So start it in the off-season. Get your guys in shape. The no huddle is a huge weapon for the offense and puts the defense is such a touch spot.

 

[Primetime]

Packers consistently run no huddle and it allows for so many opportunities, especially with substitution penalties against the opposing team.

 

[kmanharris]

Packers consistently run no huddle and it allows for so many opportunities, especially with substitution penalties against the opposing team.

See, I don't watch a lot of Packer games so I wouldn't know. You always want to have an advantage over your opponent and the no huddle gives the offense a HUGE advantage. Coaches seem to be reluctant to call it unless the first half is about to end or they are down in the 4th quarter.

 

[UMnPluke]

Patriots are another team that runs it quite a bit, regardless of what point in the game they're at.

As far as Dallas goes, I couldn't agree more. The running game hasn't looked great all season, and especially now with Murray out it just makes sense in my mind to open it up for Romo. Sure, he's going to make some mistakes but they don't have much to lose at this point so might as well see if he can do more good things than bad things.

 

[kmanharris]

Patriots are another team that runs it quite a bit, regardless of what point in the game they're at.

As far as Dallas goes, I couldn't agree more. The running game hasn't looked great all season, and especially now with Murray out it just makes sense in my mind to open it up for Romo. Sure, he's going to make some mistakes but they don't have much to lose at this point so might as well see if he can do more good things than bad things.

When we run the no huddle, I feel that Romo is in a position where he doesn't have to over think the situation. Playing a little backyard ball is right up his alley. It also allows the plays to be in much quicker and we won't have the playclock running down to under 3 seconds every play.

 

[UMnPluke]

When we run the no huddle, I feel that Romo is in a position where he doesn't have to over think the situation. Playing a little backyard ball is right up his alley. It also allows the plays to be in much quicker and we won't have the playclock running down to under 3 seconds every play.

Agreed. That's when he's at his best. They gotta curb the penalties in general though since that's one way to slow down a hurry-up offense in a heartbeat.

 

[Point Blank]

Matt Ryan runs it pretty well, couldn't really get in rhythm with it last night though.

 

[wr50l]

i'll tell you why, unimaginative coaches and/or untrustworthy quarterbacks.

 

[Bane]

the Falcons were running a defense that allowed cowboys to take those underneath routes with ease to move up the field. yes that will gas out the pass rush but they didnt want to get beat deep.

 

[kmanharris]

the Falcons were running a defense that allowed cowboys to take those underneath routes with ease to move up the field. yes that will gas out the pass rush but they didnt want to get beat deep.

So, you're saying the no huddle wouldn't be effective if the Falcons were calling their "normal" defense? A gassed pass rush=no pass rush=the QB having all day to throw. There's only so much time the secondary can stay with their man.

And your post leads me to another question. Why do NFL coaches play like such bitches when they are winning the game? That pisses me off to no end.

 

[Maynard]

i'll tell you why, unimaginative coaches and/or untrustworthy quarterbacks.

thats basically it right there. coaches want to make it seem like the nfl is rocket science only for the elite minded. they dont want to believe that a hokie gimmick scheme like the no huddle is what wins games. they want to make everyone think its their genius gameplans and 20 hour work days that make for a SB champ.

the other side is the coach not believing in his QB to do the job. they wont even let a QB call an audible or their own plays so there is no way to expect a QB to run a no huddle. Plus they fear mistakes and turnovers. this type of thinking is so damaging to a team too. The lack of confidence resonates down to everyone on the team and creates a losing mentality.

in defense, not every team has the QB to do the job or the personal to run things effectively. Then you also have to consider the defense. running an up tempo offense keeps the dee on the field alot longer then anyone would like

 

[bucky]

You have to have the QB for the No Huddle to work. NE has Brady, GB has Rodgers. That's probably one of the big reasons coaches don't do it more often.

And you can't compare the No Huddle effectiveness at the end of each half to it being as successful during the rest of the game. Teams go into this conservative deep zone defenses at the end of games and allow underneath completions.

It can be very effective if you have the right QB to run it. And it's at it's most effective when you can get a miss-match in defensive personal that the no huddle doesn't allow the defense to make any subs/adjustments.

 

[kmanharris]

You have to have the QB for the No Huddle to work. NE has Brady, GB has Rodgers. That's probably one of the big reasons coaches don't do it more often.

And you can't compare the No Huddle effectiveness at the end of each half to it being as successful during the rest of the game. Teams go into this conservative deep zone defenses at the end of games and allow underneath completions.

It can be very effective if you have the right QB to run it. And it's at it's most effective when you can get a miss-match in defensive personal that the no huddle doesn't allow the defense to make any subs/adjustments.

It's not like teams haven't run no huddle against normal defenses. Defenses will tire, the pass rush will slow, more things will open up. I don't really see a negative unless your offense scores too quickly, and is that really a negative?

I also don't necessarily think you need an exceptional QB to run no huddle. IMO, the no huddle allows the QB to play without overthinking the situation and do what he does best, just play football. Of course it won't work for everyone but I have no doubt in my mind it can be highly effective, even if the defense isn't running a soft coverage.

 

[bucky]

It's not like teams haven't run no huddle against normal defenses. Defenses will tire, the pass rush will slow, more things will open up. I don't really see a negative unless your offense scores too quickly, and is that really a negative?

You have to have the QB that can call the right plays or your no huddle is going nowhere and you end up tiring out your own defense. You are assuming that the no huddle is automatically effective. It isn't. The no huddle has to be effective for the things you say to actually happen. And really, the more time your defense is on the sideline, the more effective your team is going to be.

I also don't necessarily think you need an exceptional QB to run no huddle. IMO, the no huddle allows the QB to play without overthinking the situation and do what he does best, just play football. Of course it won't work for everyone but I have no doubt in my mind it can be highly effective, even if the defense isn't running a soft coverage.

The QB needs to THINK EVEN MORE in the no huddle. When you say exceptional, the QB doesn't have to be some strong armed gunslinger, but he has to be able to call effective plays, recognizing what the defense is trying to do. You most definitely need the right QB for it to be effective. That's why the Bills made it so famous in Buffalo - Jim Kelly.

And really, the most effective no huddle offense outside of the end of half and games, is the "no hurry up" no huddle offense. The one where the QB takes his time at the line of scrimmage calling a play, making an audible, taking time off the clock, getting first downs, giving his own defense a rest. That particular "non hurry up" no huddle offense is really to keep the defense in an unfavorable personal match-up.

So you always go into your "hurry up" no huddle, you are out in 3 plays, punt, your defense gets no rest at all on the sideline and has to come right back on the field. Advantage other team.

 

[ram29jackson]

its cute when children try to sound smart about football logic :eLOLi:


this aint college kiddy's, you dont want to tire out you RBs and linemen

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The reason offenses seem more efficient when using the no huddle at the end of halfs, is not because they are in the no huddle, its because they're usually not facing base defenses. Those chunks of yardage are a result of deep zones more than "hurrying up". The idea of using the no huddle in these situations is rooted in clock management, not because its a magical scheme that makes yards come easy. If simply going no huddle in any context resulted in confused & tired defenses, nobody would ever use a huddle to begin with.

 

[Hasselbeck]

its cute when children try to sound smart about football logic :eLOLi:

this aint college kiddy's, you dont want to tire out you RBs and linemen

Because in college the RB's and linemen don't get tired?

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