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Why Phillip Rivers should be the National Football League's MVP

T.Dot

A Real RockNRolla
Mr. 19-0 in December and beyond had a plus 19 turnover differential, better then everyone not named Rodgers, Favre or Brees. Here are some stats for you:

Quarterback A:

393-571, 68.8% passing, 4,500 yards passing, 7.9 Yards per attempt, 281.2 yards per game, 33 touchdowns, 16 INTS, 59 plays of 20 yards or more, 8 plays of 40 yards or more, 10 sacks, 99.9 QB rating

Quarterback B:

317-486 ,65.2%, 4,254 YDS, 8.8 YPA, 265.9 YPG, 28 TDs, 9 INTS, 64 plays of 20+ yards, 12 plays of 40+ yards, 25 sacks, 104.4 QB rating

Quarterback A is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, an easy first ballot Hall of Famer if he retired today who had the luxury of a solid offensive line along with weapons like Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark. Oh and he is also almost everyone's MVP candidate.

Quarterback B is one of the most perennially underrated quarterbacks who is considered a 'crybaby' by many VSN members who do not even have him in their top 5 QBs. He plays behind an offensive line that lost it's leader (Nick Hardwick) and who plays with two first year starters on the right side of the offensive line. The run game is the worst in the NFL and his only legitamate target going into this season was Antonio Gates.

If you were too stupid to guess QB A is Peyton Manning and QB B is Rivers. Not only does Rivers have a better TD to turnover ratio, he has a much better QB rating while being the main contributor to the Chargers offense. Also, he was sacked 15 more times then Manning with nearly 100 less attempts while still winning 11 straight games with a patchwork quilt of receivers.

Rivers main receivers down the stretch were Jackson, Chris Chambers (since released for his terrible hands) Malcolm Floyd and Legedu Naanee. Who?
Before you begin to type how Manning made Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon first consider this: Indy's offense was more tailored to the passing game and Manning is so good that his receivers just need to keep their hands up to catch a ball. However, in Rivers' case San Diego's offense was more tailored to the run game which obviously had to change with the horrid play of L.T. anywhere other then the red zone. Sure you say that Jackson is a star but does anyone remember that article at the start of the season posted asking who your top 10 receivers were? When V-Jack showed up on the list, people laughed saying there was no way he was better then guys like Wes Welker. Now look at him after he became Rivers' main receiver, he is the most sought after receiver in this upcoming free agent class and some prognistacators have even questioned if he'll be good with someone other than Phillip Rivers at quarterback.

In Malcolm Floyd's case he made the team as a slot receiver but after Chambers lack of hands, quickly became another 6'5 weapon for the Chargers in the Red Zone. He is another player who will be a free agent after this season and who has caught the attention of NFL GM's with his play.

Legedu Naanee? This is a guy who came into the league projected as a practice squad TE who lost weight and converted to WR. Naanee is my favorite receiver because he has sticky ass hands and runs great routes. He took Floyd's spot as the slot receiver and has been indispensable to Phillip Rivers.

Arguments? Let's here them.


Tdot, would you care to bet on the Broncos winning the AFC West this year? Site ban, sig bet, whatever, it doesn't matter to me.

rooooooflll, I know that dumbfuck, but I GUARANTEE you that they will lose either a game against the Chiefs or the Skins game.
Chargers will win that game at Mile High because Norv knows his job will be on the line there.

And sure we can have whatever kind of bet you want but the Chargers will win the West, I smell a collapse for the Broncs

I'm your huckleberry bitch.

Loser gets IP perma banned from VSN. If the Broncos win the AFC West I win. If the Chargers win the AFC West you win.

I'm sending Rush a PM right now to make sure this bet is honored.

Your time on VSN is like the Broncos season, finished.

OH SORRY, LULLZ
 
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i stopped reading when you made your first point and then said except for three other QB's who are vying for the competition.


then i started reading again only to see that Antonio Gates was suddenly on the chargers and colts.
 
Mr. 19-0 in December and beyond had a plus 19 turnover differential, better then everyone not named Rodgers, Favre or Brees. Here are some stats for you:



Quarterback A is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, an easy first ballot Hall of Famer if he retired today who had the luxury of a solid offensive line along with weapons like Reggie Wayne and Antonio Gates. Oh and he is also almost everyone's MVP candidate.

in before the edit
 
Lol @ Goblin Slayer.. he wont be missed.

I actually agree that Rivers has a legit case to be the MVP this year. If Chris Johnson was on a playoff team I would give him the reigns, but Rivers helped carry the Chargers to probably being the most dangerous team in the league right now.
 
Rivers does deserve some heavy MVP consideration, I'd have no issue if they gave it to him. But you can't really say his supporting cast is worse than Mannings. I also don't see how a team with a ton of 6'5 recievers and TEs was built for the run.

I think he'll end up getting lost in the shuffle though, he doesn't lead the league in any one major category. You got Favre who's comeback and him being 40 makes for a big story. Brees and Manning were threatening 16-0. Other QBs like Rodgers put up numbers too. Too many people in the mix for Rivers to end up with it.
 
Too bad my lazy ass isn't going out of my way to IP ban him. Feel free to clown him whenever though.
 
Before you begin to type how Manning made Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon first consider this: Indy's offense was more tailored to the passing game and Manning is so good that his receivers just need to keep their hands up to catch a ball.

Sounds like you are making reasons as to why Manning should be MVP with those comments
 
Rivers does deserve some heavy MVP consideration, I'd have no issue if they gave it to him. But you can't really say his supporting cast is worse than Mannings. I also don't see how a team with a ton of 6'5 recievers and TEs was built for the run.

I think he'll end up getting lost in the shuffle though, he doesn't lead the league in any one major category. You got Favre who's comeback and him being 40 makes for a big story. Brees and Manning were threatening 16-0. Other QBs like Rodgers put up numbers too. Too many people in the mix for Rivers to end up with it.

No, I'm saying that Manning has the advantage that the Indy playbook is more tailored to the pass then the run whereas San Diego's playbook right up to last year was almost 60/40 run to pass with L.T. at full strength and there isn't as many pass chances for Rivers as Manning got.
Naanee and even Floyd wouldn't have gotten as much P.T. if Chambers had actually done something this year and if L.T. and Sproles had been better RBs.
I agree as well, too many good QB's this year, I personally have Manning winning the MVP but in my opinion it's really a tossup between Rivers and Peyton.

My top 5 is:

1. Manning
2. Rivers
3. Favre
4. Brees
5. Chris Johnson
 
Sounds like you are making reasons as to why Manning should be MVP with those comments

The lad just thought of some cliche football terms then stuck random NFL names in between them to be honest.

Actually, Rivers for MVP would have been a fair shout if the Chargers defence hadn't started flat. He's without a doubt one of the best quarterbacks in the league, hits the deep pass like few others. I like him a lot, great leader, plays like a warrior.
 
The lad just thought of some cliche football terms then stuck random NFL names in between them to be honest.

Actually, Rivers for MVP would have been a fair shout if the Chargers defence hadn't started flat. He's without a doubt one of the best quarterbacks in the league, hits the deep pass like few others. I like him a lot, great leader, plays like a warrior.

I agree .Rivers has a good shot at MVP and would totally be a deserving winner . Then again I think you could make that argument for any of the top guys [Manning , Rivers , Favre , Johnson]
 
No, I'm saying that Manning has the advantage that the Indy playbook is more tailored to the pass then the run whereas San Diego's playbook right up to last year was almost 60/40 run to pass with L.T. at full strength and there isn't as many pass chances for Rivers as Manning got.
Naanee and even Floyd wouldn't have gotten as much P.T. if Chambers had actually done something this year and if L.T. and Sproles had been better RBs.
I agree as well, too many good QB's this year, I personally have Manning winning the MVP but in my opinion it's really a tossup between Rivers and Peyton.

My top 5 is:

1. Manning
2. Rivers
3. Favre
4. Brees
5. Chris Johnson

It still just sounds like you're making excuses as to why Rivers won't win or why Manning is going to win, you haven't really proved anything just tried to make excuses.
 
Truthfully I stopped bothering to read when you tried to act like the Colt's offensive line is good.

That O-line is so suspect at times it's painful to watch, Colt fans know it, but because of the low # of sacks the rest of the league fails to realize it.

When your quarterback has the fastest release in the history of the league and holds the ball for the least amount of time compared to every other quarterback in the league, yet someone is in his face every time he throws the ball or he gets hit as much as Manning does, something is wrong.
 
I think Manning will win it but that Favre had a better year. First year with a new team, a couple of nobodies and a rookie at WR until his presence elevated their game all the way to Pro-Bowl levels and a star RB that led the league in fumbles and a defense that disappeared for several games. Manning, Rivers and Brees have all played for their teams for many years and have the chemistry with their coaches and teammates. Favre had to do all of that in the 2 weeks before the season that he arrived in Minnesota.

By the way, he had the best statistical year of his career and exceeded the average of his '95-'97 MVP run in every category except TD's which is more than compensated by his TD to INT ratio which led the league...not to mention he is over 40 years old and will become the first 40+ year old QB in NFL history to start in the playoffs on January 17th when the Vikings take the field.

1995 4413yds 38td 15int 63% 7.7 AVG QB Rating 99.5
1996 3899yds 39td 13int 59.9% 7.5 AVG QB Rating 95.8
1997 3867yds 35td 16int 59.3% 7.2 AVG QB Rating 92.6

MVP AVG 4045yds 37td 15int 60.7% 7.4 AVG QB Rating 95.9

2009 4202yds 33td 7int 68.3% 7.9 AVG QB Rating 107.2
 
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I think Manning will win it but that Favre had a better year. First year with a new team, a couple of nobodies and a rookie at WR until his presence elevated their game all the way to Pro-Bowl levels and a star RB that led the league in fumbles and a defense that disappeared for several games. Manning, Rivers and Brees have all played for their teams for many years and have the chemistry with their coaches and teammates. Favre had to do all of that in the 2 weeks before the season that he arrived in Minnesota.

By the way, he had the best statistical year of his career and exceeded the average of his '95-'97 MVP run in every category except TD's which is more than compensated his TD to INT ratio which lead the league...not to mention he is over 40 years old and will become the first QB in NFL history to start in the playoffs on January 17th when the Vikings take the field.

1995 4413yds 38td 15int 63% 7.7 AVG QB Rating 99.5
1996 3899yds 39td 13int 59.9% 7.5 AVG QB Rating 95.8
1997 3867yds 35td 16int 59.3% 7.2 AVG QB Rating 92.6

MVP AVG 4045yds 37td 15int 60.7% 7.4 AVG QB Rating 95.9

2009 4202yds 33td 7int 68.3% 7.9 AVG QB Rating 107.2

LMAO. Can't say this wasn't expected.
 
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